Bargain of the year?

[Bry]

So check this out; I came across this wakizashi in the backwaters of an Ebay category listing. the presentation and description indicate the seller has little knowledge of Japanese swords; as is also reflected in the price which is very low - i believe from what can be seen in the pictures that this is a high quality piece in excellent mounts that could be the bargain of the year! what do you think>?

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200745239221 ... 1439.l2649

[Brian]

Price seems about right actually. Nothing suggesting a very high quality wakizashi there.

Seller also has researched prices more than (she) lets on...based on the prices of the other swords.

Of course, someone needs to tell her this one is a fake: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100-AUTHENTI ... 2ebd5950bf

 

Brian

[Kai-Gunto]

I think I made the bargain of the year with the Ogawa Kanekuni sword

nice wak , need some resturation.

The fake sword is damn ugly , I dont think seller will believe its a fake .

[Mark]

maybe a bargain, hard to tell. to me it looks like an unsugned wakizashi that you are going to have to buy menuki for, have wrapped, and still have an unsigned wak. If you figure polish and paper you will have 4-5 thousand in it.

 

I felt it was ashame to break up the daisho, but i guess that happens

[Lance]

What's a real shame is that the sword linked below by the same seller, looks to have been part of a Daisho with the sword, originally mentioned. Not a real high end set but still a real Edo period set (not a western restoration) and should have stayed together...Compare same Soten style tsuba, tsuka ito color, fittings, and saya finish.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100-AUTHENTI ... 2ebd5959bd

 

 

Regards,

Lance

[Jean]

They were not daisho and as usual nothing very exciting on e-bay. Look at the kashira(s) totally different. Look at the prices, low prices, low quality.

 

A good daisho koshirae (without blades) black saya, black horn kashira + kozuka/kogai is worth more than 500 000 ¥, more than 600 000$

[Lance]

I did say they weren't a high end set, and agree that a better quality daisho should certainly go for what you mentioned or higher. Considering both are from the same seller though and in an unrestored state, even if the kashira aren't exact they're pretty close, same tsuka ito color and ishime saya, very similar soten style tsuba with sages, I do think they're close enough that they would/could have been a lower level samurai's daisho, but all that being said, if they were a set they would be of more historic value than artistic, as they aren't that great a quality as you stated.

I'm perfectly fine being wrong, and am only expanding on what I posted earlier to show my reasoning.

Regards,

Lance

[ROKUJURO]

......A good daisho koshirae (without blades) black saya, black horn kashira + kozuka/kogai is worth more than 500 000 ¥, more than 600 000$

If you have enough YEN and get that exchange rate, you are a happy man! For 500.000,00 JPY I usually get only 6.179,50 USD!

[runagmc]

Yeah, the exchange rate isn't THAT bad... yet

 

Also, I have read that samurai would commonly wear mix matched blades and koshirae as daisho... but even so, if they aren't a matching pair, they probably wouldn't be considered daisho on the colletor's market today... unless they have some provenance that links them.

[Jean]

I meant 6k$ :D

 

Lance,

 

We have to be very careful when talking about Daisho Koshirae.. The fittings must match perfectly, otherwise any short sword together with long sword , whatever the fittings, which are stuck in a sash is a daisho.

 

Should these 2 swords have been a daisho, they would have been put on sale together as Daisho brings a great plus-value.

[Jorgensen]

... However, if they have been a Daisho set, I think seller may have splitted the set anyways (maybe not)... Looking at her statement with "the fake sword" and the other stuff she has for sale gives me a clue that she probably does not have much knowledge about Japanese swords.

 

But a do agree that when taking a first quick look, the swords could look to be a Daisho set, but spending just a bit more time comparing the pictures, there are too much that dosnt match.