lub41 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Hi, from Switzerland! I'm glad to be a new member in this forum. I'm also member of the International Netsule Society. In my collection I have some few pcs. which I very much appreciate your knowledge, explanations, opinions and in one case the translation. They are 2 Tsubas, one Gotto school, both unsigned One crucifix unsigned One fitting Quote
lub41 Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Posted January 30, 2012 This is the completition od the previous one.Tks and regards. Louis Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Hi Louis, I take it that the mokkogata hana zu nanako tsuba is by Goto school ? The oni tsuba is signed Ohmori Teruhide, 大森英秀, very nice condition and a lovely tsuba. The kao intrigues me. Almost like these tsuba came out of the box today. Unusual to see kibatamei on tsuba, so really one is signed. Crucifixes (sp?) I don't know anything about. John Quote
Brian Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Considering how Christianity was viewed, that crucifix must be pretty rare. Brian Quote
lub41 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Posted January 31, 2012 Hi Louis, I take it that the mokkogata hana zu nanako tsuba is by Goto school ? The oni tsuba is signed Ohmori Teruhide, 大森英秀, very nice condition and a lovely tsuba. The kao intrigues me. Almost like these tsuba came out of the box today. Unusual to see kibatamei on tsuba, so really one is signed. Crucifixes (sp?) I don't know anything about. John John tks. so much...but the signed pc. is the fitting with the gold carpa fish...Teruhide is famous artist?...and, based in your own experience how much you appraise the pcs? (provided is allowed to ask this in the Forum...if not sorry) sincere regards. Louis Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 Oh, I see!! There are 3 tsuba. The Teruhide tsuba with koi is a seperate piece. Can we see the whole tsuba? Very famous, yes. Price? Well, with documentation, can be high value. What school is the oni tsuba, by your information? John Quote
Brian Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 John, Drinking the antifreeze up there again? The way I see it, there are 2 tsuba, a kozuka (Omori Teruhide..maybe gimei) and a crucifix. Brian Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 Crimeny!! I was seeing an edge on shot of the tsuba. No wonder it seemed kibatamei. Maybe I need some anti-freeze!! John Quote
lub41 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Posted January 31, 2012 John,Drinking the antifreeze up there again? The way I see it, there are 2 tsuba, a kozuka (Omori Teruhide..maybe gimei) and a crucifix. Brian Tks. so much Brian...and Tks also to John drinking or not... So, the kozuka appraisal intrigue me because I'din't see any pc. in the market signed by him.. As for the two Tsubas, I have received for the two pcs. an offer of usd. 8'000.- which I estimate too low...please, your best tought? About the crucifix Brian like you I don't have any idea... Regards to both and tks. again Quote
DGARBUTT Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 You should take the offer as quickly as you can. The two tsuba are not worth anywhere near $8000.00, in fact in my opinion they are not worth half of that. The good one is probably Meji and the "goto" is a copy made by for sale to tourists. Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 In my collection I have some few pcs. which I very much appreciate your knowledge, explanations, opinions "The workmanship confirms the mei, and not the other way around." [edit] and when there is no signature, then "it's simply the workmanship!", or lack thereof. Quote
John A Stuart Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 You are right, but, I think these were made even more recently. I still find the oni, leaf and eel tsuba great looking and I wouldn't mind the, as Brian called it, gimei kozuka, which is probably why the kao doesn't match. I wonder if the metal these tsuba are made from is traditional shakudo? or some nigurome? I can't believe I thought that kozuka was a tsuba edge on, now, after the fact. In my defense do not the pics make it seem round? John Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I can't believe I thought that kozuka was a tsuba edge on, now, after the fact.? And neither can we. In my defense do not the pics make it seem round? No, must be from all the solar magnetic bombardment in those northern latitudes which are causing neuron transmission disruptions in your ocular nerves. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 John, yes we can all see the curve, (with a bit of an effort to cross the eyes and an extra glug of the 'grog') but I owe you one, so I'll admit it! :lol: What makes the Kozuka gimei in your opinion, Brian? (No axe to grind here either way, BTW) Welcome here Lub41, but you'll have to learn to roll with the punches. They are good dogs, er... boys, here. They don't mean any harm... well, most of them... Quote
Baka Gaijin Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Morning all, Just a thought: Is the decoration on the reverse of the cross (Mt Fuji etc) later work for the export market, possibly by a forerunner of the Komai workshops in Kyoto? Cheers Quote
Lorenzo Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 My 2 cents. All items seems way too waxed, did you waxed those? The first tsuba looks to me very (and I mean very) modern, and nowhere close to the price estimated. The second one seems genuine. The kozuka is cute, but it screams gimei. I agree the crucifix looks to be a late export item. Quote
lub41 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Posted February 1, 2012 Morning all, Just a thought: Is the decoration on the reverse of the cross (Mt Fuji etc) later work for the export market, possibly by a forerunner of the Komai workshops in Kyoto? Cheers Hi Malcolm, well, really we will never know, just utilize the logic, if we assume the piece is original no sense for the artist (considering in general Japanese metal works, like for exemple the kozuka both sides or Tsubas) ,to let empty with no any decoration the reverse side...the Mt Fuji and all decoration look in armony with the main subject in front, and probably contain a message that Lord protect all Japan...This fanciful interpretation have the same value (really no much) to assume that the cross is original in front and the design of Mt Fuji made in Komai... the true has gone with the artist... Quote
Jean Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Lub41, Please change your signature by Luis O. as per the Board rules Quote
Eric H Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 The color of the Tsubas and the Kozuka resemble rather to russet iron then to shakudo coated with a kind of glittering varnish, the uniform look suggest that they were treated improperly...the kao is definitely not that of Omori Teruhide. Eric Quote
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