Jim P Posted September 17, 2011 Report Posted September 17, 2011 Hi all, I was wondering how rare is it to get a paper with two smiths as the maker there was one in Sydney in Dr Gordon Robson presentation of best of the Shinsa it was one that got pink slipped, but was from Tanba no Kami Yoshimichi /Kawachi no kami Kunisuke with a different hamon on each side and Dr Robson said it would paper if submitted with the signature taken off are examples of this common ? and do they get high level papers ? I checked the vid.but he does not elaborate when asked if its unusual to have 2 smiths only to say (not with this sword) thanks Quote
cabowen Posted September 17, 2011 Report Posted September 17, 2011 Joint work is very rare....especially with two different hamon.... Quote
David Flynn Posted September 17, 2011 Report Posted September 17, 2011 It was a brilliant sword. Gordon had a book that showed it's brother/sister. One side, Sudarebar , by Tamba (no) no Kami Yoshimichi 4th Gen. The other Side, Choji, Kawachi (no) Kami Kunisuke 2nd Gen. We also had a 2nd Gen, Kawachi (no) Kami Kunisuke, on display. Quote
Jim P Posted September 18, 2011 Author Report Posted September 18, 2011 Hi,chris, have you seen them with papers ? as I wonder if they are considered on the same level as that smiths work ? apart from the rarity ? Hi Dave, recovered from the chillies :D do you remember what book Gordon was looking at ? Quote
David Flynn Posted September 18, 2011 Report Posted September 18, 2011 Sorry Jim, I saw the book, it was very large, but in Japanese. Quote
cabowen Posted September 18, 2011 Report Posted September 18, 2011 Hi,chris, have you seen them with papers ? as I wonder if they are considered on the same level as that smiths work ? apart from the rarity ?Hi Dave, recovered from the chillies :D do you remember what book Gordon was looking at ? Sure, but they are evaluated like any other blade- case by case. Depends on the smiths and the individual blade as to whether or not it is on par with the rest of their work. They are a rarity but not considered anything more simply because they were made by two smiths.... Quote
Jeff Blackmore Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Message for Jim P The book that Gordon referred to is NIHONTO ZUIKAN: SHINTO HEN (KATAOKA) As the sword is mine, when I returned from the Shinsa, I Googled and found a copy at Satcho to add to my library. I always wondered why the hamons were quite different; now I know. Cheers, Jeff Blackmore Quote
runagmc Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 You don't happen to have any pictures you could post, do you? If you don't want to, I completely understand... Quote
Jim P Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 Hi Jeff,Thanks for the info, its one that was a bit unusual I will keep a lookout for the nihonto zuikan pages. I have some video of the blade as part of the best of shinsa but its not great so when Gordon was using nihonto zuikan it then had me interested, in what he was seeing in the book. Quote
Jeff Blackmore Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Jim, Is it possible for me to get a copy of Gordon's presentation? Please advise if you can assist. Thanks, Jeff Quote
Jeff Blackmore Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Hi Adam L, As I am only new to this site, I do not know yet how to post photos. What I can maybe do is add the photo I took of the page from the book which shows the correctly signed sword and both hamons. Here goes..... Cheers, Jeff Quote
runagmc Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Jeff, the oshigata's fine, thank you. Looks like a pretty interesting blade... Quote
Jim P Posted November 18, 2011 Author Report Posted November 18, 2011 Hi Jeff, No problem, PM,me and I will send it to you . Adam,I will try to get the video up as it has some shots of the sword and a interesting story on the next sword that Gordon spoke about it was made by a Tokugawa doctor and part time smith from the edo period who bled to death after having his hand cut off in a fight in a toilet,but so did the other guy also from loss of a hand OK Jeff,and the OZ members, done. I have put a link up in the The Izakaya (Members Area) Quote
Jeff Blackmore Posted November 19, 2011 Report Posted November 19, 2011 Thank you Jim for posting the link; it provides me with great memories of my first Shinsa. In a couple of weeks time when time permits, I'll endeavour to photograpg my sword and post photos for the reference of those interested. How I came to buy it years ago is interesting and will I hope provide entertainment for the local collecting group of which I am its retiring President; we have an annual 'Item of the Year' competition and I will enter this sword with its great story of Gordon and the Shinsa. Cheers, Jeff Quote
Thierry BERNARD Posted November 25, 2011 Report Posted November 25, 2011 sword made by 3 sword makers http://www.aoi-art.com/kantei/kantei166.html Quote
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