assastince please

[jeeplover]

just got the handle off. looked in the book by slough. i believe the maker is Daisaku Daimei by Ido Hidetoshi on page 25 figure c .can any one please tell me if this is correct and if not please let me know what is?

 

http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m582/jeeploverkeith/my%20sword/

[k morita]

Hi,

The mei says Kanetoki.兼時

This mei is former mei of Kojima Kanemichi.兼道

[jeeplover]

thank you very much

so it would be the maker on page 46 of sloughs book?

i have (an oshigata book of modern Japanese swordsmiths 1868-1945 by john scott slough)

this is the book i am referring to.

[jeeplover]

any ideal what the writing on the tsuba says?

[David McDonald]

Dear Keith

 

Your image is upside down and once turned over will give

忠Tada

正masa

 

I can not make out what is on the seppa - to much glare on

the image.

 

good luck

david

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keith mccauley

  jeeplover said:

any ideal what the writing on the tsuba says?

[jeeplover]

what does that mean is that who it was made fore?

[Nobody]

  David McDonald said:

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I can not make out what is on the seppa - to much glare on

the image.

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I think that the mark on the seppa is olny the imprint of the inscription on the tsuba.

[k morita]

  jeeplover said:

so it would be the maker on page 46 of sloughs book?

 

Yes,Kanetoki on page 46 of sloughs book.

However, sloughs book shows Kanetoki-mei only one example(Tanto oshigata). I think that the signature of this Tanto is not his typical signature(Kanetoki).

Your sword looks like his own signature rather than Daisaku Daimei.

[jeeplover]

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The mei says Kanetoki.兼時

This mei is former mei of Kojima Kanemichi.兼道

 

this is the name of the sword smith but what are all the extra characters ?

[cabowen]

Noshu Seki ju Kanetoki

 

Made by Kanetoki living in Seki (city) in Noshu (Gifu prefecture)

[jeeplover]

thank you.

[markc]

Dear Keith,

if you search the NMB site for "kanetoki" there was was some previous discussion on this smith, with some pictures and hopefully some useful information for you.

 

 

regards

Markc

[k morita]

Thank you Chris and Markc.

 

Keith,

I thought that you were able to read Kanji.

However, my expectation was wrong. The person who cannot read Kanji must not use the term "Daisaku-Daimei". :lol:

[jeeplover]

isnt the term Daisaku Daimei used to describe a substitute signature or a signature done by the student not the master. so i think if the context is right then it is ok to use the word. :D

thank you all so much fore all of your help this is my first sword and i want to know all i can about it.

[David McDonald]

Dear Keith

 

Tadamasa is the name on the tsuba as the makers name.

Post an image of the tsuba and someone might be able to

say more about the tsuba and when it was made.

(remove the seppa so only tsuba is in image)

 

good luck

david

 

  David McDonald said:

Dear Keith

 

Your image is upside down and once turned over will give

忠Tada

正masa

 

I can not make out what is on the seppa - to much glare on

the image.

 

good luck

david

[cabowen]

daisaku means made by a student for the master and daimei means signed with the master's name with his permission by his student. Thus, a daisaku daimei blade is a work made entirely by a student in his master's place....

[jeeplover]

i uploaded more photos and took a hole picture of the tsuba. if anyone can tell how old it is it would be cool. thank you

 

http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m582/jeeploverkeith/my%20sword/

[k morita]

Hi,

Right side Oshigata is a signature(mei) done by Kanetoki self.

What do you think about it ?

[jeeplover]

so it does appear the mei on my sword was done by his oun hand

[bluboxer]

Keith, look closely at the kanji with the arrows.

[jeeplover]

i still think it looks like his mei. there are slight differences but over time with age signatures change.

[jeeplover]

or is that not what is being pointed out?

[bluboxer]

Perhaps I am only demonstrating my limited knowledge;but the two mei are very different to my eyes.Maybe closer to the son's?

[runagmc]

Alan, I would say they look very different too, but I don't know how consistent or inconsistent this smiths mei were.

 

Lots of differences in those two mei, for sure.

[jeeplover]

so then it was done by a student then? it is a daisaku daimei blade . or am i wrong ?

[jeeplover]

i am sorry if i seem stupid but that is y i come on here. as i stated earlier this is my first sword and i have limited resources with which to research with.

[bluboxer]

No need to apologize Keith.Some of us are hesitant to reply in fear of the same thing!

Did you search this board as suggested by MarkC earlier?I think I read that he had a son that took the Kanetoki art name.I am unsure of the chronology;but this may have been made by the son.

I do not know if or how many students he may have had either.

Also; it is almost impossible to provide a concrete answer with only photos (irregardless of quality).

[Mark Green]

Keith,

Your tsuba looks very 'new'.

A few more pics may help, but my guess, would be very new.

 

Mark G

[jeeplover]

the pic did not come out well sorry .i put the sword back together so next time it is apart i will get more pics. i did not expect it to be very old around ww2 i would guess myself.

[jeeplover]

if this was made by his son how does it work? did the son take over the family business and continue to use the name ? or can someone tell me how it works. thank you all very much