from indonesia

[ferrylaki]

good day all...

I'm a new member in this board. I'd like to ask for your opinion.

I have these sword since 6 months ago.mumei sword. I'm an Indonesian, found this sword in an antique store in Indonesia...is it a nihonto or else???

any information would be great.

regards,

ferry

[Grey Doffin]

At 1st glance it looks real but looking again I wonder about the placement of the 3 mekugi-ana in the nakago. They're too close to the ha; to my eyes an unnatural placement.

Still could be OK, though. Hard to tell for sure with the little I can see in the pictures.

Anyone else care to chime in?

Grey

[Brian]

I agree with Grey. Looks too well done to be a fake. I would take a shot at genuine, and messed with a bit.

If I look at those 2 smaller ana (holes) in the nakago, they give me the impression that they were added later...maybe to mount non-traditional slab sided grips? I would think the larger one is the original one.

Still..the shape and file marks look ok. I think it is worth looking into, as it is probably genuine (in my humble opinion)

Can't say if it is just a machine made blade or slightly older though. What did the fittings look like, or did you get it this way? I would be interested in knowing what handle they used.

 

Regards,

Brian

[Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini]

The dimension and placement of the two smaller holes is the thing that puzzle me. I've suggested to the owner they were made for a Shingunto

mounting, being the last one in the same position of the Sarute, but it

doesn't work... :?

Otherwise I would have put my money on an old sword abused by a non-traditional polishing. I would like to see BOTH faces of the sword and what's under the Habaki.

[ferrylaki]

  Brian said:

I agree with Grey. Looks too well done to be a fake. I would take a shot at genuine, and messed with a bit.

If I look at those 2 smaller ana (holes) in the nakago, they give me the impression that they were added later...maybe to mount non-traditional slab sided grips? I would think the larger one is the original one.

Still..the shape and file marks look ok. I think it is worth looking into, as it is probably genuine (in my humble opinion)

Can't say if it is just a machine made blade or slightly older though. What did the fittings look like, or did you get it this way? I would be interested in knowing what handle they used.

 

Regards,

Brian

 

I cant find the fittings.

but I know it was mounted in wood saya covered with brown leather, cant find the fittings. it might been sold to other person.

[johnb]

Hi Ferry, I'm based in Jakarta. If you're based here too, I'd be happy to help you determine what the sword actually. I have a very limited knowledge of Nihonto, it's a subject that gets more complex the deeper you get into it! (I should have stuck with Juke boxes, a much easier subject.) Anyway email me and perhaps I can help.

 

John b

[ferrylaki]

  johnb said:

Hi Ferry, I'm based in Jakarta. If you're based here too, I'd be happy to help you determine what the sword actually. I have a very limited knowledge of Nihonto, it's a subject that gets more complex the deeper you get into it! (I should have stuck with Juke boxes, a much easier subject.) Anyway email me and perhaps I can help.

 

John b

 

Hi Johnb, I'm based in Jakarta too.

west Jakarta , Have you ever look at the antique market in surabaya street?

I used to look for swords in that place...but you have to make a smart bargain there. I send you a PM . I really like the tanto you found for $100...like to see it since I never see a tanto before... it would be nice if you can help me with my sword.

 

regards,

ferry

[ferrylaki]

  Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini said:

The dimension and placement of the two smaller holes is the thing that puzzle me. I've suggested to the owner they were made for a Shingunto

mounting, being the last one in the same position of the Sarute, but it

doesn't work... :?

Otherwise I would have put my money on an old sword abused by a non-traditional polishing. I would like to see BOTH faces of the sword and what's under the Habaki.

 

more pictures,

[ferrylaki]

  Brian said:

I agree with Grey. Looks too well done to be a fake. I would take a shot at genuine, and messed with a bit.

If I look at those 2 smaller ana (holes) in the nakago, they give me the impression that they were added later...maybe to mount non-traditional slab sided grips? I would think the larger one is the original one.

Still..the shape and file marks look ok. I think it is worth looking into, as it is probably genuine (in my humble opinion)

Can't say if it is just a machine made blade or slightly older though. What did the fittings look like, or did you get it this way? I would be interested in knowing what handle they used.

 

Regards,

Brian

 

I got the saya....here is the picture..