amichaelj Posted August 12, 2011 Report Posted August 12, 2011 I would appreciate help in identifying the makers mark on the attached sword. Best regards; Michael J.
Mark Posted August 12, 2011 Report Posted August 12, 2011 does not look like anything i have seen on a Japanese sword. could this be Chinese?
amichaelj Posted August 12, 2011 Author Report Posted August 12, 2011 I'm not sure, my friend in Japan bought a bunch of swords from an auction site. I was told it was not Chinese but I will look into that. Some of the swords have an unknown language according to "experts in Japan. Thanks; Michael
sencho Posted August 13, 2011 Report Posted August 13, 2011 Looks like someone who had no clue of Japanese writing (or Chinese for that matter) tried to re-create Japanese characters with a dremel... Show us the blade, a close up of the tip, maybe the whole of the tang, and we will be able to tell you, I am sure. Cheers.
Grey Doffin Posted August 13, 2011 Report Posted August 13, 2011 Even without seeing the extra pictures I know this is a fake, most likely from China. Grey
sencho Posted August 13, 2011 Report Posted August 13, 2011 Even without seeing the extra pictures I know this is a fake, most likely from China.Grey agreed...
Toryu2020 Posted August 13, 2011 Report Posted August 13, 2011 It says in Japanese; Ma Chi Ho Ku Se (マチホク世) If it is Chinese they are now copying Katakana which I find odd. No idea what this could mean BTW... -t
sanjuro Posted August 13, 2011 Report Posted August 13, 2011 Regardless of all other considerations, no tosho uses a burr bit to inscribe his signature........ As far as I can see this signature was not inscribed using a chisel. Ergo, signature false. Not Japanese, so the obvious alternative is Chinese fake. Yet another one..... thats three in the last four days. Thomas. Nothing.... Not even katakana is beyond the Chinese fakers. Sad to say, they continue to flood the market with rubbish. As we see on an almost daily basis, there are buyers out there with a lack of knowledge that will be lured by cheap prices. The fakers depend on them for income. Answer....... Good stuff aint cheap and cheap stuff aint good.
amichaelj Posted August 14, 2011 Author Report Posted August 14, 2011 Looks like someone who had no clue of Japanese writing (or Chinese for that matter) tried to re-create Japanese characters with a dremel... Show us the blade, a close up of the tip, maybe the whole of the tang, and we will be able to tell you, I am sure. Cheers. Sencho I've attached photos of the tang, and a close up of the sword tip. Thanks for your input. Michael
Bruno Posted August 14, 2011 Report Posted August 14, 2011 Sorry to be rude but it is good for the trash. :?
sencho Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 Sencho I've attached photos of the tang, and a close up of the sword tip. Thanks for your input. Michael, Didn't see the tip picture, but don't waste your time posting it.... as Grey was 100% sure of, this is a very nasty looking pile of steaming Chinese excrement; and (as Bruno said) is no good for anything but the trash can! I was 99% sure on the first pic, but wanted to make sure some arse had not farted around with a dremmel on something... especially that you had said it was bought by a friend in Japan... is this montrosity actually in Japan?? Cheers
amichaelj Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Posted August 15, 2011 Thank you all for your help, I have others I will post to see if they are fakes also. Best regards; Michael
outlier48 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 I have others I will post to see if they are fakes also. Why not invest in some books (and if possible go to a show and or meeting(s)) and study first. You will learn and probably will quickly be able to identify if your others are obvious fakes as well. The learning you do and the knowledge and appreciation you gain will be their own reward. Charlie Brashear
amichaelj Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Posted August 15, 2011 Why not invest in some books (and if possible go to a show and or meeting(s)) and study first. You will learn and probably will quickly be able to identify if your others are obvious fakes as well. The learning you do and the knowledge and appreciation you gain will be their own reward. Charlie Brashear Thanks Charlie I've actually done quite a bit of studying, but looking at makers marks in books and trying to compare it to what is on the swords takes a lot of work and time. The swords belong to my friend and business associate and I'm only trying to help him. Best regards; Michael
sencho Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 Thanks Charlie I've actually done quite a bit of studying, but looking at makers marks in books... Maybe you need to study just a tiny bit more... You could start with basic terminology of Nihonto.... Cheers
amichaelj Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Posted August 16, 2011 Thanks Charlie I've actually done quite a bit of studying, but looking at makers marks in books... Maybe you need to study just a tiny bit more... You could start with basic terminology of Nihonto.... Cheers I already know the terminology of Nihinto. I will post to other sites. I don't have time for condescension.
Guido Posted August 16, 2011 Report Posted August 16, 2011 I already know the terminology of Nihinto.QED
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