Inshu Ju Kanesaki Saku Katana- which generation

[shibeni]

Hello,

I didn't find any smith with name Inshu Ju Kanesaki Saku in smiths data base. Does mybe someone knows to which generation of Kanesaki smiths belongs this Mei?

I find two swords dated as early shinto with that Mei,

 

Thank you for help,

Bojan S.

[Ludolf Richter]

Hi Bojan,there are 8 generations of Kanesaki from Inaba from 16th Century to the Meiji Era:Hawley 2119-2131.There is only one Mei in the standard-books:Fujishiro Shinto Hen p.68 from the 5th gen.Besides there are some pics in REI-magazine:REI 60/11 (3rd gen.),REI 3/99 (5th gen.) and REI special edition no.40 from 1995 (6th or 7th gen.).Ludolf

[shibeni]

Thank you mr. Ludolf for this info.

I will try to find this datas about Inshu Ju Kanesaki Saku swordsmith.I will also post some pictures of the blade, if someone will look for this smith in the future.

Bojan S.

[mdiddy]

Bojan,

 

Here is your mei compared to oshigata from Shinto Shu and Nihonto Zuikan. Fujishiro notes that there are various mei of Kanesaki, most from around Kanbun. Would like to see pics of the sword.

 

Best,

 

Matt

[shibeni]

Hello Matt,

here are some more pictures of the blade.

Nagasa:70 cm

Mune machi:3,1 cm

Sori: 1,4 cm

Hamon: rounded gunome midare.

 

I find one oshigata of Inshu Ju Kanesaki Saku from Aoi art, very similar to my blade http://www.users.on.net/~coxm/oshigata%20sword%20s16.html dated 1615.

 

Regards,

Bojan S.

[cabowen]

I don't think these are the same smith. I would venture that yours is a later generation. The mei on your sword is placed tightly together, not spread out to fill the nakago. Also, the gunome on your sword looks much more regular whereas the reference is more organic. We see a more uniform hamon in later generations in other swordmaking groups as well....

[shibeni]

Hello,

This example ofInshu Ju Kanesaki Saku mei is from Mid Edo, around 1688. Kanjis are more close together, but activity is not the same as on mine.

http://www.google.si/imgres?q=inshu+ju+kanesaki+saku&um=1&hl=sl&sa=N&tbm=isch&tbnid=38H18zuvWxNLjM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sanmei.com/contents/media/T11617_W7129_PUP.ht_&docid=RWTAeg32LeCkCM&w=850&h=900&ei=FmZJTp3eDIuVswbTlYytBw&zoom=0&iact=hc&vpx=354&vpy=264&dur=549&hovh=146&hovw=138&tx=97&ty=44&page=2&tbnh=146&tbnw=138&start=20&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:20&biw=1118&bih=717

Regards,

Bojan S.

[mdiddy]

Bojan,

 

Clive Sinclaire has a good write-up (w/ oshigata) on Inshu Kanesaki here: http://www.to-ken.com/swordregister/No90fujiwara.htm. Also, here are a few more examples I found online:

 

1. http://www.sho-shin.com/inshu%20Kanesaki.html

2. http://www.choshuya.co.jp/1/0706/thanks_sword.htm (scroll down to the bottom)

3. http://www.finesword.co.jp/sale/touken/ ... nesaki.htm

4. http://www.e-sword.jp/sale/2009/0910_1093syousai.htm

5. http://www.e-sword.jp/sale/2009/0910_1094syousai.htm

 

Its hard to judge from just a few pictures, but I can see the sunagashi brushing through the gunome peaks in your pictures.

 

Fujishiro states "there are various mei of Kanesaki besides [iNABA KUNI FUJIWARA KANESAKI], most of them are the Kanesaki of around Kanbun."

 

Best,

 

Matt

[Jean]

I have some philosophical problem with the "masame" yasuri me. Something happened to the nakago

[shibeni]

Hello mr.Jean

please let me know what is wrong with nakago?

Thank you,

Bojan S.

[Jean]

Bojan,

 

The nakago has been at least badly scratched so has to erase the file marks. All marks are // to the blade, the file marks should be either slanted or horizontal.

 

Nakago and yasurime files are the smith proudness. Here we are far from it and I am wondering why.

[Mark Green]

I'm with Jean, the yasuri me seems a bit odd to me too.

 

Mark G

[Jacques]

All marks are // to the blade, the file marks should be either slanted or horizontal.

 

 

Some times (rarely) you can find sensuki yasuri :詮鋤鑢 (not related with this sword).

[shibeni]

Hello

the sword of which I posted reference link (dated 1688) has also Sensuki file marks, if description is true. How is posible that sword gets papers with destroyed nakago. Mine sword has NBTHK white paper.

Regards

Bojan S.

[Jean]

Bojan,

I did not say that the nakago was destroyed but seems badly scratched. BTW, it is not because the nakago is in bad shape that the sword won't get a NBTHK certificate.

 

I have search quickly the web and did not encounter another example as the one you posted.

The one you posted has yasurime described as sensuki but if you have a close look they are slightly slanted but seem much more ordonated that the one on your sword (I mean //).

 

After close scrutiny, they could be sensuki yasuri me, you are the only one who can tell it as it is almost impossible to see on the pictures. The only marks visible on the pictures are crude and not parallel.

[shibeni]

Hello mr. Jean

it is true that file marks are not running//. Lines looks like they were made before the nakago was signed, because the adges of mei are not skratched. Thank you very much for your close look to my sword.Why will someone scratched the nakago on both sides?

Regards

Bojan

[Jean]

Bojan,

 

Just call me Jean, I am going on sixty so please don't make me feel old. I have no answer to this question. I am not even sure that they are not clumsy yasuri me. While googling the smith name, I found an example with very bad yasuri me, so at least one of the lineage was not careful in doing them ...

[shibeni]

Hello,

I add some more pictures of Kanesaki's "regular" Gunome hamon, if this can mybe help to determinate aprox time of this kind of work?

Thank you and best regards,

Bojan S.