ship arms or weapons of any kind from US to Austria

[cisco-san]

Dear all,

 

yesterday night I had a bad experience.

I bought a cheap Gunto from a seller from US.

 

After the auction was over and I was the highest bidder the seller rejected the transaction because he said: "It is illegal to ship arms or weapons of any kind to Austria"

Due to my ignorance of the law in US I accepted the cancellation of the transaction.

 

So, therefore I would kindly ask you if you are aware about such law?

 

Many thanks in advance.

Klaus

[Stephen]

did he use FedX they wont let you send them anywhere, i think your country is the only one i have not shipped too, but then i never put sword on the customs forum.

[cisco-san]

Many thanks.

Frankly speaking, I think that he expected a higher price for his Gunto and therefore he cancelled the transaction (because he cancelled it immediately after the end of the auction)?! But this is just an assumption

[drbvac]

Stephen:

 

I have used Fed -ex and usually one of the triangular packages and call the sword "antique Japanese wall hanging" or "oriental ornament" '

 

What do you call them?

 

PS Congrats and thanks for your long term = 3000 posts - lots of computer time

[Kevin]

It's hogwash. There's no US law forbidding the export of nihonto or shin-gunto. There may concievably be some sort of paperwork needed at the Austrian end - however AFAIK they're not banned from entering Austria. Italy has rather stricter laws on the importation and ownership of swords, and I've got swords into Italy before now.

 

I've had this once or twice from American sellers, and it is usually down to complete ignorance of the law, including their own. "It's forbidden to send Japanese swords to the UK!" "No it's not - I was involved in the consultation process and know exactly what UK law says." "Oh!" "You ship it - dealing with UK Customs is my problem, not yours." "Oh! OK." If one did insist that he wasn't going to export it, I'd just have it sent to the American end of the business, and export it from there.

 

Sometimes, with other items, I've found out that it's because the American seller doesn't know how to export it, and doesn't want to get involved with Customs forms.

 

Other than that, I suppose that next time you could point out to such idiots that Austria is in NATO and therefore allied to the US - it isn't Libya. The Austrian airforce, for example, has quite a number of American-built aircraft, such as Blackhawks. The Austrian army also uses American-made firearms. The argument that you can't ship weapons of any sort from the US to Austria is therefore hogwash from first principals - the US government obviously allows quite advanced weapons systems to be shipped there.

 

Kevin

[Stephen]

Dr B , Thanks, i call them Japanese Nihonto then depending how old antique or WW 2 era

[cisco-san]

Many thanks for your statement(s), now I am a little bit wiser

 

Other than that, I suppose that next time you could point out to such idiots that Austria is in NATO and therefore allied to the US - it isn't Libya. The Austrian airforce, for example, has quite a number of American-built aircraft, such as Blackhawks. The Austrian army also uses American-made firearms. The argument that you can't ship weapons of any sort from the US to Austria is therefore hogwash from first principals - the US government obviously allows quite advanced weapons systems to be shipped there.

Kevin

....and we ship many many Clock pistols to US , so I think you are fully right and there is no law.

F..k, the price of this Gunto was really good

[Mark]

Klaus

 

i am sure you could work out something with one of us in the US and the seller could mail it to a US address, we could recieve it and forward it to you.

[cisco-san]

Klaus

 

i am sure you could work out something with one of us in the US and the seller could mail it to a US address, we could receive it and forward it to you.

Hi Mark,

 

many thanks for your offer.

But I have already accepted the cancellation of the transaction. Anyway, if necessary next time I would be happy for this offer.

 

Many thanks and kind Regards from Austria

Klaus

Edit: typo

[xxlotus8xx]

The Austrian airforce, for example, has quite a number of American-built aircraft, such as Blackhawks.

Kevin

 

I thought the Austrian air force was 2 Euro-fighters and a bunch of Bi-planes. .

 

Just kidding. I used to live there and there was always an ongoing joke about the Austrian air force.

But if I recall correctly Austria falls within the neutral category like Switzerland. And because of that they are not a member of NATO. But I could be wrong.

Regarding the shipping I have shipped many thing back and forth between the US and Austria. Some of the things were probably more dangerous than a sharp pointy object. It's all a matter of what you claim it to be and the value. Somewhere in there the answer resides.

[cisco-san]

 

I thought the Austrian air force was 2 Euro-fighters and a bunch of Bi-planes. .

 

Just kidding. I used to live there and there was always an ongoing joke about the Austrian air force.

But if I recall correctly Austria falls within the neutral category like Switzerland. And because of that they are not a member of NATO. But I could be wrong.

Regarding the shipping I have shipped many thing back and forth between the US and Austria. Some of the things were probably more dangerous than a sharp pointy object. It's all a matter of what you claim it to be and the value. Somewhere in there the answer resides.

Hi Ray,

 

Many thanks for information.

 

kind regards

Klaus

P.S. You are right, we are near Switzerland and are neutral AND you are also right we have just 2 Eurofighter Of course we have more, but they are always in the hangar for repairing :D

PPS Additionally we have one or two ship(s) in our navy --> so if the bads boys will come, we are prepared !!

[Guido]

Actually the Austrian Armed Forces has 15 Eurofighters and no Navy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Armed_Forces

 

P.S.: The Austrian Special Operations Forces training sounds less demanding than what I went throught in boot camp in Germany.

[cisco-san]

Actually the Austrian Armed Forces has 15 Eurofighters and no Navy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Armed_Forces

 

P.S.: The Austrian Special Operations Forces training sounds less demanding than what I went thought in boot camp in Germany.

 

Of course you are right. We have no Navy!! What I meant with Navy is, that we have one or two patrol boats which are sailing on the Danube --> but before WW1 in the glory k.u.k centuries ....