Hamon

[Ian]

Hello Gents

 

Has anyone come across this type of Hamon before, It repeats itself every 10 inches, they have one the same in the Victoria and albert museum with a fake UMETADA MYOJU mei, and mine has a fake Tamba no kami Yoshimichi mei. The rest of its characteristics resembles gendai Yokohama school. I have owned this sword for 20 years now, and have found nothing in any books I have, appart from the one below.

Any clues?

[Thierry BERNARD]

Has anyone come across this type of Hamon before, It repeats itself every 10 inches,

 

yes on one of my mumei sword!! :D

but not much clues

 

after a second look, it's not exactly the same hamon !

[Ian]

Hmmm, any close ups?

[Thierry BERNARD]

after a second look, it's not exactly the same hamon !

[DirkO]

a form of toran-ha ?

 

 

to compare from Mishina Kenji's site:

http://www007.upp.so-net.ne.jp/m-kenji/oshigata/shinto9.html

[Ian]

a form of toran-ha ?

 

It more falls into the picturesque category I think.

It also has these 'bursts' every 10 ins, similar too Yoshimichi!

BTW yes the blade previously has been rather mistreated.

 

Many Thanks

[cabowen]

Looks like textbook Hamabe school....

[Ian]

Looks like textbook Hamabe school....

Thank you chris

 

I think you are spot on

 

Have you any example pics or links?

[cabowen]

I have no links but I think I remember seeing this hamon on a few Hamabe school blades and have seen drawings of it in sword books.....check a few of the likely suspects like Ngayama's, etc....

[Ian]

Chris

 

Many thanks, I'm sure I'm on the trail now

[chrstphr]

There is a photo of an edo period sword in another thread with the same Hamon i think, but i could be wrong.

 

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9937

 

 

Yoshino (cherry blossoms on the Yoshino river)

 

Chris

[Ian]

Yes, you are correct, this is the one in the V&A (gimei)

 

Well done

[Ian]

hello gents

Would anyone have any more info on this smith

"TENRYUSHI MASATAKA (Hallmark or Kokuin)"

[Markus]

I have listed him as follows in my index:

 

Masataka (正隆), Tenpō (天保, 1830-1844), Settsu – „Tenryūshi Masataka“ (天龍子正隆), „Ozaki Gengo Masataka“ (尾崎源吾正隆), „Tōto ni oite Tenryūshi Masataka“ (於東都天龍子正隆), „Ozaki Nagato no Suke Fujiwara Masataka“ (尾崎長門介藤原正隆), civilian name „Ozaki Gengo“ (尾崎源吾), grandson of Ozaki Suketaka (助隆) and son of Takashige (隆繁), he worked in his early years in Ōsaka but went later to Kyōto where he supported the court noble Chigusa Arikoto (千種有功, 1796-1854) in forging swords, his gō was „Tenryūshi“ (天龍子), he mostly made blades with an elegant sugata and a dense ko-itame which tends to muji, the hamon is a tōran-midare, suguha, kobushigata-chōji or pictoresque interpretations like Fujimi-Saigyō with always a compact noiguchi, works in midareba have a sugu-yakidashi, the bōshi is sugu with a ko-maru-kaeri

[Ian]

Hello Marcus

 

Many Thanks for the information :D

[jesup]

ian if you're still around - I have a boy's sword Tango no kami Naomichi (Mishina, ~5th generation?) with the same hamon: (repeats several times on each side)

It's in Japan for polish right now; I've asked to have the polisher tell me the name for the hamon

 

[DoTanuki yokai]

 

Making such hamon requires very homogenous steel that lacks other features I like but I’m always impressed of the control over the heat some smiths show. 
 

This one does not really fit but shows that you could draw pictures with the hamon. 

 

[vajo]

A small line to kitsch