Could this be considered a Ryukyu kingdom tsuba ?

[kusunokimasahige]

Came across this tsuba on ebay, and must say i like it.

The story is that it was found on Okinawa itself.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Japanese-Sa ... 3f08b85b2e

 

The design is unfamiliar to me but it looks real.

 

The Okinawa island was taken by the Japanese in 1609.

 

Here is a nice period list.

 

http://www.okinawan-shorinryu.com/okinawa/history.html

 

KM

 

@ Jean, i thought this tsuba was nice enough to post here, maybe some of you might like it too.

[Jean]

H-J,

 

Jean, i thought this tsuba was nice enough to post here

 

No, the main problem is that you don't think. You are jumping on everything that moves.

 

Let's analyse it : Okinawa found: just the spicy thing to draw interest from people like you. That is your childish side, loving fairy tales.

 

Tsuba quality : I let members judge. Housewive as made a thorough job on cleaning it. Copper is shining.

 

Then a link to Okinawa story ...For people interested, they can get it if they wish through Google

 

That is not what I should call an instructive post.

 

You must learn to be critical

[Toryu2020]

Yes, the folks on Kyushu found it so ugly they threw it in the ocean and it washed up on the beach in Okinawa!

 

Nothing in the image or the materials used suggests Okinawa. I am afraid that Jean is quite right...

-t

[kusunokimasahige]

Points taken,

 

However:

No, the main problem is that you don't think. You are jumping on everything that moves.

 

If I did that you would have had 5.000 posts already on here. I do not. Yes I admit, i did post some pieces on here which were not to your liking and not at all good enough.

 

Let's analyse it : Okinawa found: just the spicy thing to draw interest from people like you. That is your childish side, loving fairy tales.

 

No, having an interest in the history of Okinawa which cannot be considered Japanese untill 1609 is not loving fairy tales.

 

Tsuba quality : I let members judge. Housewive as made a thorough job on cleaning it. Copper is shining.

 

I said I liked it, and thought it was a real tsuba, no where did I discuss quality or presumed knowledge of it, if a tsuba looks real to me it means it does not look like the modern day fakes popping up everywhere.

 

That is not what I should call an instructive post.

 

It was a question, not meant to be instructive at all, since i clearly stated I was not sure and asked if this could be considered a Ryukyu kingdom tsuba. Ugly or not in your opinion, it is a matter of taste, so mine is bad. OK, I can live with that, since the tsuba i have bid on so far were all low end because I cannot (and will not) spend 5.000 US$ on a piece of iron/copper with inlay or very well carved with a lovely signature weighing about 88 grammes, no matter how nice it is.

 

So for your entertainment, here are some other Tsuba and a fuchi/kashira I am bidding on right now but probably wont win. All very UGLY as you would state them to be.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :MEBIDX:IT

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :MEBIDX:IT

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :MEBIDX:IT

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :MEBIDX:IT

 

I am learning something every day on NMB, though most is about the human condition.

 

Case closed.

 

KM

[Muki]

In the little museum of Nakagusuku Castle in Okinawa (near Motobu, Nago) there are some various pieces of tosugu that have been recovered during excavation and they are in very, very, very poor condition. At any given point on Okinawa the ocean is less than a mile or two and the salt air is pervasive. Iron becomes flaky and separates into small pieces in a matter of years. I dont think this is from Okinawa personally.

 

West side looking toward China...

 

North side by Hado Point, close as you can get to mainland Japan...

 

jim

[Jean]

H-J,

 

For your education

 

http://www.aoi-art.com/fittings/tsuba/F08091.html

 

edit to add : Luckily, your taste is better on the tsuba you are bidding on than on the one posted, you see when you want :D . You could have posted one of the link above rather than this horror, There are some I like: The first one, I had it on my Bizen Yoshimitsu wakizashi. The Heianjo, were it well preserved, I could have bid on it.

[kusunokimasahige]

Thank you Jean !

 

Indeed the Aoi one is beautiful ! as is the one you posted a photo of which looks quite nice nonetheless.

 

I quite like the small one I posted second with the little bird looking down. But well since i also have had quite a nice counter offer on the Maki-e Choshi sakazuki haidai set, I need to divide between what I have, what I want and what I can spend... Guess some more WWII junk needs to go

 

KM