Question on a Hizen signature

[Martin]

Hi all,

 

Here is a blade signed "Ichi Hizen Dewa (no) Kami Fujiwara Yukihiro".

Could anybody please help me to find out if this is the signature of the 2nd or 3rd generation Yukihiro?

 

What I also saw is that the last Kanji on the pictured Nakago and the signature on the paper seems to be different. The written Kanji seems to be "Yuki Naga" in contrast to the picture that reads "Yuki Hiro".

 

Any help with this will be much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

Martin

[Grey Doffin]

Both the paper and the blade read Yukihiro. The blade is the full length written out version of the Kanji and the paper has the common abreviation, which you often see written out as well.

Grey

[Martin]

Grey,

 

wow, that was fast

What do you think about the generation? 2nd or 3rd?

The Hawleys does not seem to help here...

 

thanks,

Martin

[Steve Mauger]

Hi Martin. I think this is 2nd generation Yukihiro born 1650, died 1728, first signed yukinaga, recieved Dew no Kami title in 1684.

 

Then again it might not be . There are other Hizen fans out there who know far more then me.

 

Steve Mauger.

[Ed]

Martin,

From what I can see on a quick look, it appears the nidai was the only one of the Hizen Yukihiro who signed that way. 1st & 3rd signed, Ichi dewa no kami Yukihiro. 2nd signed, Ichi Hizen dewa no kami Yukihiro. Note they all signed other ways as well, these examples only represent their mei where "Ichi" was used.

Hope this helps.

Ed

[Ludolf Richter]

http://www.nihonto.com/2.51.05.html

[Martin]

Ludolf,

 

guess from where the above pictures are...

 

Martin

[Ludolf Richter]

Hi Martin,why did you ask your question at all,when you already had the answer from Fred's site!!!?Is this some sort of a game for you ("Martin's private Conundrum")?Ludolf

[Martin]

Hi Ludolf,

 

that´s not a game for me, no.

I just want to get some additional opinions as the papers don´t tell anything about the generation - and where else if not in this forum would I have a better opportunity to get some profund and "expert" opinions?

But many thanks for the helpful opinions from the other members

 

Martin

[Stephen]

i thought the pix were from Freds site ...asking Fred would have been the way to go.

[Martin]

Stephen,

 

I certainly also asked Fred first as the Hawley doesn´t give any definite confirmation on that signature.

And my question in the forum wasn´t intended to show any kind of suspiciousness towards Freds information (sorry if I left that impression). It´s just that I want to collect some additional opinions like I said as I do not have access to a big Nihonto library.

 

cheers,

Martin