List of different swordsmiths

[jeremy]

Can anyone please give me a list of some of the different schools/swordsmiths of the koto, shinto and shinshinto eras that made swords with funbari, low shinogi and scant niku?

 

Kind regards,

 

Jeremy Hagop

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[cabowen]

funbari is seen mostly in early koto. You will not see it as a standard trait in shinto and shinshinto......

[jeremy]

Sorry, maybe i used the wrong term with funbari, what i meant was where the sakihaba is narrower than the motohaba as opposed to the blade being the same width all the way to the tip.

 

Kind regards,

 

Jeremy Hagop

[Jean]

funbari is seen mostly in early koto

and sometimes in Oei Bizen

[Jean]

the sakihaba is narrower than the motohaba as opposed to the blade being the same width all the way to the tip.

 

 

For rare exceptions, all schools

[jeremy]

For rare exceptions, all schools

 

 

And what about the rest of the criteria I listed, if you dont mind?

 

"with funbari, low shinogi and scant niku?"

 

Kind regards,

 

Jeremy Hagop

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

what i meant was where the sakihaba is narrower than the motohaba

 

Found on Kanbun Shinto swords and others period such early Kamakura late Nanbokucho and early Muromachi.

[george trotter]

would it be appropriate here to just clafify what funbari is?

 

Funbari is not so much that the sakihaba is less than the motohaba (most are, of all ages), it really refers to the first few inches from the machi forward.

 

I hope I am not being too outspoken here...I am happy to be "corrected" in a diplomatic and a civil way.

 

regards,

George.

[jeremy]

Found on Kanbun Shinto swords and others period such early Kamakura late Nanbokucho and early Muromachi.

 

Did the swords of these periods also have low shinogi with scant niku as well?

 

Kind regards,

 

Jeremy Hagop

[O koumori]

Seems to me that overpolishing (too much or too many) could cause all of these conditions on any blade.

Dan K.

[jeremy]

yes, i realise that, but I am wanting to know if there were any smiths from any tradition/school which forged the blades that way originally. For example, i have hear shinshinto blades mostly have scant niku, but were they made that way, or are they only a product of overpolishing?

 

Kind regards,

 

Jeremy Hagop

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

Did the swords of these periods also have low shinogi with scant niku as well?

 

That depends, there is not absolute rule. High shinogi is usually found on Yamato blades and related schools (Kunikane in shinto for example).

[cabowen]

your criteria are too broad. why don't you post a picture of the blade?

[jeremy]

I havent got a picture, if i did i would most certainly post it. I am only asking as a question to learn from you guys. Would Hizento fit my criteria I listed?

 

Kind regards,

 

Jeremy hagop

[Toryu2020]

Jeremy -

I am sure you are not asking questions here just to get one of us to write a book on swords. That said, without the dimensions, especially the depth and nature of the curvature and an accurate description of the jigane what you describe could be just about any sword in any time period.

 

As Chris has pointed out, you need to be asking your questions based on a specific example even if you've no photos to share...

-t

[David Flynn]

May I suggest the Conoisseurs book of Japanese swords.

[jeremy]

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to help me out. This additional information might be more helpful to identify what sword I am talking about.

 

Length: 28-30inches

 

Sori: Torii-zori between 1.5 -2cm

 

Hamon suguha

 

Jihada Ko-itame, some masame

 

Motokasane: 7.5mm-8mm

 

sakikasane 5mm

 

Motohaba 34mm

 

sakihaba 24mm

 

Low shinogi with scant niku

 

Does this make it easier to tell me what I am looking at?

 

Thanks again,

 

Jeremy Hagop

[george trotter]

Jeremy, I'm confused

you want "a list" of smiths/groups with certain characteristics

You are "only asking as a question so I can learn from you guys"

"would Hizento fit" this?

"I don't have a picture, if I did I would certainly post it"

then you are posting detailed dimensions "this additional information might be more helpful to identify what sword I am talking about"

 

What ARE you talking about? If you are thinking of buying a sword and are trying to identify the school...ok, say so. If you already have the sword...ok, say so...but without a Pic and or Mei (whatever would allow of some chance at answering whatever it is you are asking), this is going nowhere.

 

If this is just a learning thing, maybe as has been suggested you should get the "Connisseurs" book....and a few more

 

Trying to be helpful,

George.

[Rich S]

Get a copy of "The Connoisseur's Book of Japanese Swords" by Nakayama Kokan. Translated by Kenji Mishina. Gives major criteria for most major smiths in all major schools up to gendai.

 

Rich S

[jeremy]

Thanks for the book advice. I'll see if I can pick one up soon.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

Jeremy Hagop