werner Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 Hi, I came across this sword and wondered if the nakago has been welded on later....saw a posting with that subject on the board...or if this is genuine? Thanks.. Jock Quote
werner Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Posted January 8, 2011 ...I don't want to be paranoid...just noticed the darker area between the blade and the nakago....but I haven't seen what a add-on nakago looks like....just getting educated... Thanks heaps! Jock Quote
werner Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Posted January 8, 2011 ...maybe better on this one... Jock Quote
Mark Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 i can see what you mean about the nakago, it does seem a bit strange, but i don't see the upside of adding a tang from a Bungo sword, the Japanese did not think that highly of Bungo blades (do we rememeber Milt ), anyway, look closely at the nakago between the mei and blade, if it seems natural i am sure it is fine, if there is evidence of welding you should see it. Quote
Kevin Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 If you welded on a nakago, you'd screw up the hamon at hamachi - steel conducts heat and you're talking about melting steel at the welding site. That's with modern welding techniques. If you were forge-welding it, you'd have to raise both bits to white sparking heat - even more damage to the hamon - and bang it with a hammer. Chances are high in both cases that you'd have to do a bit of file work to get the surface of the weld flat with the surrounding metal. Draw your own conclusions. Kevin Quote
werner Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Posted January 8, 2011 Hi Mark, Thanks heaps for the input....may I ask what/how/why = "Japanese did not think that highly of Bungo blades" Regards, Jock Quote
werner Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Posted January 8, 2011 Hi Kevin, ....thanks heaps...that makes sense...would be difficult to disguise.. Jock Quote
drbvac Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 Doesn't mean it cant be done there is a failry definitive "line" on the nakago - welding and tang repatination is an art as well as a science. Quote
Mark Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 the Japanese can be quite "set in their ways" and the "traditional thinking" is the Bizen, Soshu, Awataguchi, and other groups are "art swords" and prized and Bungo, Kanabo and some other groups are "utilitarian" or to be used, not appreciated (as much as others). Not to say that is acurate as i have seen some nice Bungo swords. Quote
peter Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 hi jock, what is the mei on your sword? peter Quote
werner Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Posted January 8, 2011 Hi Peter, ....could be wrong but it should be: Bungo (province) Takeda (Town) Ju (living at) Fujiwara (Clan) Yukinaga (sword smith) Thanks! Jock Quote
Turbo storm Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 I saw a line like that once, and found that it was from a non-traditionally trained, backyard polisher. He was hitting his stones against a masking barrier, creating a line. Not saying that is a cheap polish, but it could be a reason for the line. Quote
Mark Green Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 Great looking Bungo sword, from a very good smith. Bungo smiths copied the best of all schools. That seems to be the main reason the 'old school' fanatics had their problems with Bungo. From what I have heard, the samurai liked these blades very much. They would hold up well in real combat. And, most that I have seen, are very well made, and very good looking. But, I am very partial to Bungo swords, being the jv, Milt. You can send it to me if you like. I will give it a good home, with many of it's brothers. Thanks for sharing, Mark G Quote
peter Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 or send it to me Jock i would love another Bungo, Mark don,t be greedy you have enough, or is that possible, :D peter Quote
werner Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Posted January 10, 2011 ...thanks heaps guys! Isn't it frustrating that one can have such a lovely hobby and then be limited due to the fact that there is a single lane into the wallet and a 3 lane motorway out of it....just imagine one could spent the money that Elton John spent on art objects over the last 10 years on nihonto....you could employ a full-time nihonto carer and spend your afternoons on the verandah admiring your treasures.....well I guess I'm drifting... Jock Quote
uwe Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 .....dreaming.............dreaming........dreaming on..... Uwe Quote
werner Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Posted January 17, 2011 Hi Mark & Peter, I received it and it's heaps better than I hoped....and I know now why you love these blades....cutting edge over 50cm wide blade and beefy as with no flaws (small surface scratches in approx 1x1cm at the point that is all) thought you might like some pics... Jock Quote
werner Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Posted January 17, 2011 ...by the way the nakago doesn't have this strange line...must just be on the pics....entirly happy and hoping that I could get his katana brother one day... Jock Quote
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