Opinions on a geese sukashi tsuba... familiar too:

[jason_mazzy]

I need your help on this tsuba:

 

 

it is very similar too:

 

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7529

which is Karigane Sukashi Tsuba ( Wild Geese design Sukashi tsuba )

Mumei, Attributed to Shoami school)

6.89 cm or 2.71” x 6.54 cm or 2.57"

 

At a glance, the tsuba looks like Owari or Kanayama which is blackish purple strong color.

NBTHK issued the paper as Shoami.

 

 

 

It is in Japan and being sold as an edo piece. I was thinking about purchasing, and trying to make a quasi Daisho set with these 2 if I get it at a reasonable price.

 

What are your thoughts about this piece and if it would shinsa well?

[Marius]

  jason_mazzy said:

It is in Japan and being sold as an edo piece. I was thinking about purchasing, and trying to make a quasi Daisho set with these 2 if I get it at a reasonable price.

 

What are your thoughts about this piece and if it would shinsa well?

 

It is a late Edo tsuba, nothing special, factory plate. The other one, the Shoami Karigane is completelly different. It has got an interesting texture, tekkotsu in the rim and deep patina. Those two would NOT go well together, IMHO.

[ububob]

Why are you sure it's late Edo and factory plate?

[Marius]

  ububob said:

Why are you sure it's late Edo and factory plate?

 

Bob,

 

I can't be sure, I just suppose it.

Late Edo - because it is crisp wherever you look, the openwork, the nakago ana, the ryo hitsu.

Factory plate - lifeless appearance, no tekkotsu, flat, featureless surface.

 

I'll ad one more thing:

 

Mediocre work - because the composition of the motif is somehow overcrowded. EDIT: in the example posted by Martin the composition is much better.

 

Again, this is only an opinion (as always). However, I really don't think it will turn out to be some early Owari masterwork I would save the money for better tsuba instead spending it on a shinsa.

[ububob]

Thanks. I wasn't challenging your opion I was just curious about how you arrived at it.

[Marius]

  ububob said:

Thanks. I wasn't challenging your opion I was just curious about how you arrived at it.

 

Nothing wrong with challenging opinions :-) It is always to good to hear the question "why". It makes you explain.

 

Thanks for asking

[ububob]

I have also seen a similar design using 16 geese and attributed to Akasaka by the NBTHK.

[Martin]

I think this is a late Akasaka piece.

Kantei points for me are the full rounded rim, the Tagane marks on the Nakago-Ana and of course the geese theme.

 

Compare to this Tsuba from Andrews page:

http://www.nihonto.us/tsuba.htm

[Soshin]

I would agree with Martin on this it looks like a late Akasaka school piece to me dating from the late Edo period. How the sukashi is done is also very characteristic of Akasaka school all through the Edo period. Thanks for sharing and asking for an opinion.

Here is a tsuba from my collection using the same motifs in a some what different style that likely dates to the same Late Edo time period as your tsuba. I would likely consider my tsuba belong to the Shoami school based mostly on how the bird motifs are arranged and the overall size and shape of the tsuba.

 

 

 

 

Yours truly,

David Stiles