A tsuba - origin unknown

[shunto]

I found out this tsuba on a site in France. It's abour to be sell soon and would like to have any kind of information from you guys.

 

Many thanks in advance, regards to all.

 

Chris

[paulb]

Chris,

Immediate first reaction is that it is modern Chinese fake. Look at the nakago-ana (is that the right term?) it is rounded and typical of Chinese work and not at all similar to what you see on autherntic tsuba. also the work is very much in the style of what the Chinese think tsuba should look like.

 

Having said all that this is not my fiels and others may have a better view regarding it authenticity.

Regards

Paul

[Jean]

I don't like it, makes me think of some Chinese repros I have seen , but I could be wrong.

 

Look at the nakago ana (regarde le trou où doit passer la fusée du sabre le haut et le bas sont arrondis).

 

http://aoi-art.com/fittings/tsuba/main.html

 

You will see here a lot of tsubas; none near to this one even the lowest in quality

[Ludolf Richter]

Hi Chris!A 100% Chinese faked Tsuba,like so many on Ebay.Ludolf

[christianmalterre]

Hi Chris,

 

This is Rubbish!-(sorry but no other words)

(save you the money and buy you an original and antique one!)

 

Christian

[Marius]

I found out this tsuba on a site in France. It's abour to be sell soon and would like to have any kind of information from you guys.

 

 

Chris,

 

that is an absolutely lovely fake :-) Made in China, cast from some alloy. Could be included in this excellent JSSUS information about fake swords and tsuba (the NBM has the link promimently displayed): http://jssus.org/nkp/fake_japanese_swords.html.

 

Buy a book instead.

[Jean]

This is your second post on NMB and all about fakes (first one about a chinese repro you bought).

 

viewtopic.php?t=8210

 

There is only one solution for you to learn, it is reading and seeing the real thing. Where do you live in France?

[shunto]

First, as new comer I obviously doubted about this item, the reading help to question oneself not to have the answer. It's why I posted this message even after having looked on books.

 

Second, sorry if you felt upset by the subject and the post, but the answer to my knowledge is not in the books, although it might help a lot, but in the experience, and so far I thought that you guys had what I missed.

 

Many thanks to all.

 

Warm regards.

 

Chris

 

 

ps : Jean, I'm leaving in midi-pyrénées.

[sanjuro]

Something that is such obvious garbage has no place here.

 

Buy books young man....... Go and see the real thing if that is possible in the Pyrenees. Learn what is and what is not rubbish. Whatever you do, dont buy anything else until you have some idea of what you are buying. This is meant in the kindliest possible way. Learn first...... Then buy.

[John A Stuart]

Hi Chris, sometimes reproduction tsuba can be very convincing, this one isn't though. Keep on asking, it will help you in the long run, alert others and is no hardship. The thing about books is, they show you the path, but, until you walk a hundred miles along it, they haven't toughened your feet. The best would be to drive to some galleries and ask to see some tsuba, that is if travel is not difficult from your home. Luck. John

[hybridfiat]

At the very least:

1. Systematicly go through ALL of the NMB links to reliable sites for tsuba and nihonto and save examples of tsuba you like in a file marked 'Tsuba I like'.

2. Buy a book and research the tsuba you like.

Go to all the museum sites and do the same.

 

This will reinforce in your brain what a real tsuba, nihonto or fitting looks like. After a while you will unconciously notice small things that dont seem right in dodgy items for sale.

By focusing at first on the items that appeal to you the task will be less taxing. After a while you will find your tastes changing and becoming more refined. Then when you do find a genuine item to buy, it will be something you will appreciate for longer.

 

Good luck

[loiner1965]

i am not a tsuba man by any means but i admediately knew it was fake...biggest tip i got from members here is......look at the signature

[Jean]

Here is the address of the French Forum :

 

http://token.alldiscussion.net/forum.htm

 

Just subscribe to the forum and ask if members are living in your area and the you could meet. If you come to Paris, just mail me