rallypointmilitaria Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Here is another sword that I am curious to know the maker of. Thanks! ---Chris Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Hi Chris, I believe this sword is signed 'Kanekazu'. John Quote
rallypointmilitaria Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Posted January 23, 2007 John, Thank you for your reply. I am not familiar with kanekazu. Can you (or anyone) tell me if he is a gendaito smith. ---Chris Quote
QuangD Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 I agree with Mark. It looks like "KaneUji" to me. Quote
Stephen Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Kaneuji when you sent it this morning it was sideways and i was on my way out the door...strike Kaneyoshi and use the Uji Quote
rallypointmilitaria Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Posted January 23, 2007 Would that be the Showa smith Yamato Kaneuji? ---Chris Quote
Stephen Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 The Sword index shows three none really match Kaneuji (Yoshida) Kaneuji (Noshu) Kaneuji when looking for WW2 smiths i always use Doc Stiens search see below for Kaneuji http://search.freefind.com/servlet/free ... ry=Kaneuji Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Hi all, I just can't get my head around that second kanji being 'uji'. Actually it looks more like 'futatsu' but must be 'kazu'. Just doesn't look like 'uji'. Oh , well. John Quote
sencho Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 what about this for 2nd kanji? 武 bu or takeshi 式 shiki that's what it looks like to me cheers Quote
Nobody Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 what about this for 2nd kanji? 武 bu or takeshi 式 shiki that's what it looks like to me cheers Thank you sencho san. I am with 式. The mei seems to be Kanenori (兼式). Quote
Stever Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 Wow. Once again you folks blow me away. Sometimes I don't think I'll ever be able to recognize kanji. I've tried several times to figure out some of the mei that have been posted here, and have yet to be successful. But everytime someone nails it, it seems so obvious! I can't believe how frustrating (but fun!) this is. Thanks for helping a lowly beginner take his first steps, and keep up the great work! Quote
sencho Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 Ahhh.... Nori.... damn I have a lot to learn still... Domo Moriyama-san .... by the way I can't focus any more what is the date on there .......ju hachi nen.....? cheers! Quote
Nobody Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 The date is Showa ju-hachi nen go gatsu (昭和十八年五月). ---> May in 1943 Quote
rallypointmilitaria Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Posted January 24, 2007 The date is Showa ju-hachi nen go gatsu (昭和十八年五月).---> May in 1943 I am trying to take a stab at this translation. Wouldn't showa (1926) plus ju-hachi ( 18 ) make the date 1944? ---Chris Quote
rallypointmilitaria Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Posted January 24, 2007 I looked at the kanji in Yumoto's book, and I can see why many of you think that the mei is Kanenori (as opposed to kaneuji), but when I look at the oshigata for Kanenori in Sloan's book, the examples for the symbol "Nori" look nothing like the symbols for "Nori" in Yumoto's book. However, the oshigata on p. 57 showing the date (on plate B) looks very similar to the pic in this thread. Can anyone explain this? ---Chris Quote
Brian Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 Chris, There are many characters that are totally different that can read the same. There is more than one kanji for "nori" and they can be completely different. The same goes for other sounds too. Different smiths used a different kanji for the same name, and it is one way you can narrow down the smiths sometimes. Take a look at this page: http://www.nihontokanjipages.com/kanji_for_mei.html One of the best out there for kanji 2 Nori's there..and at least 6 different ones for "yoshi" as an example. Regards, Brian Edit to add: About the dates..the way I understand it is it is the 18th year of Showa..not Showa plus 18. So 1926 is the first year of Showa, and the 18th year is 1943. Basically add the number and minus one. Quote
sencho Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 Not only that Chris, you can have same kanji for different sounds.... i.e. I called "shiki" 式 on the second kanji, but Moriyama san kindly pointed out that is was "nori" same kanji for two sounds.... just to make things even easier for us, eh??? Cheers Quote
rallypointmilitaria Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Posted January 24, 2007 Edit to add: About the dates..the way I understand it is it is the 18th year of Showa..not Showa plus 18. So 1926 is the first year of Showa, and the 18th year is 1943. Basically add the number and minus one. Thanks! That explains why I was a year off. ---Chris Quote
sencho Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 here you go, Chris .... possible ways of signing NORI as used by swordsmiths in the past: 式 曲 令 伯 法 則 祀 廻 乗 順 帥 徳 典 makes everything perfectly clear doesn't it!! he he he :D cheers Quote
rallypointmilitaria Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Posted January 24, 2007 Not only that Chris, you can have same kanji for different sounds.... i.e. I called "shiki" 式 on the second kanji, but Moriama san kindly pointed out that is was "nori" same kanji for two sounds.... just to make things even easier for us, eh??? Cheers This is seriously mind numbing.... --Chris Quote
Stever Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 ...hence my earlier comment of amazement! I feel like a very small fish in a very big pond here... Quote
rallypointmilitaria Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Posted January 24, 2007 here you go, Chris .... possible ways of signing NORI as used by swordsmiths in the past: 式 曲 令 伯 法 則 祀 廻 乗 順 帥 徳 典 makes everything perfectly clear doesn't it!! he he he :D cheers That first one could look like a candidate for this mei... --Chris Quote
Stephen Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 learning but im a stuck with uji....sorry not any Kanenori that signed that way as far as i can find yet....of course im 99% chance of being wrong but like i said ill stay with Kaneuji. I did find one Kanenori with that nori ...in the 1500s.... Quote
sencho Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 Hi Chris, That is exactly what I thought too.... and what moriyama san was referring to... There is a Tenbun smith signed this waty, Stephen.... cant see any showa's with this.... 兼 式 Kanenori Mino no kuni (Tenbun) Seki KAN1849 (15pts) 1. kanenori Cheers Quote
sencho Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 Stephen, sorry missed the second line of your post!!... cheers Quote
Stephen Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 still around hed know it any seki smiths signed with that nori. Its all good mate...ive put up more misinfo than anyone on the board...nice they let the ol guy ramble on and get away with it. Quote
Nobody Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 There is a name of Kanenori (兼式) on the page below. WWII Seki Kaji Tosho; http://home.earthlink.net/~ttstein/seki.htm Quote
Stephen Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 I bow to the Master 兼式 (Kanenori) 早川 一 Hai domo!! Moriyama sama! Quote
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