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Nobody Grand Master

Nobody

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what about this for 2nd kanji?

 

武　bu or takeshi

 

 

式 shiki

 

that's what it looks like to me

 

cheers

Thank you sencho san. I am with 式.

The mei seems to be Kanenori (兼式).

Stever Collaborator

Stever

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Wow. Once again you folks blow me away. Sometimes I don't think I'll ever be able to recognize kanji. I've tried several times to figure out some of the mei that have been posted here, and have yet to be successful. But everytime someone nails it, it seems so obvious! I can't believe how frustrating (but fun!) this is. Thanks for helping a lowly beginner take his first steps, and keep up the great work!

sencho Mentor

sencho

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Ahhh.... Nori.... damn I have a lot to learn still...

 

Domo Moriyama-san .... by the way I can't focus any more what is the date on there

 

.......ju hachi nen.....?

 

cheers!

rallypointmilitaria Apprentice

rallypointmilitaria

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I looked at the kanji in Yumoto's book, and I can see why many of you think that the mei is Kanenori (as opposed to kaneuji), but when I look at the oshigata for Kanenori in Sloan's book, the examples for the symbol "Nori" look nothing like the symbols for "Nori" in Yumoto's book. However, the oshigata on p. 57 showing the date (on plate B) looks very similar to the pic in this thread. Can anyone explain this?

 

---Chris

Brian

Brian

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Chris,

There are many characters that are totally different that can read the same.

There is more than one kanji for "nori" and they can be completely different.

The same goes for other sounds too. Different smiths used a different kanji for the same name, and it is one way you can narrow down the smiths sometimes.

Take a look at this page: http://www.nihontokanjipages.com/kanji_for_mei.html

One of the best out there for kanji :)

2 Nori's there..and at least 6 different ones for "yoshi" as an example.

 

Regards,

Brian

 

Edit to add: About the dates..the way I understand it is it is the 18th year of Showa..not Showa plus 18. So 1926 is the first year of Showa, and the 18th year is 1943. Basically add the number and minus one.

sencho Mentor

sencho

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Not only that Chris, you can have same kanji for different sounds....

 

i.e. I called "shiki" 式 on the second kanji, but Moriyama san kindly pointed out that is was "nori" same kanji for two sounds....

 

just to make things even easier for us, eh??? ;)

 

Cheers

rallypointmilitaria Apprentice

rallypointmilitaria

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Edit to add: About the dates..the way I understand it is it is the 18th year of Showa..not Showa plus 18. So 1926 is the first year of Showa, and the 18th year is 1943. Basically add the number and minus one.

 

Thanks! That explains why I was a year off.

 

---Chris

sencho Mentor

sencho

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here you go, Chris

 

.... possible ways of signing NORI as used by swordsmiths in the past:

 

 

式 曲 令 伯 法 則 祀 廻 乗 順 帥 徳 典

 

makes everything perfectly clear doesn't it!! he he he :D

 

cheers

rallypointmilitaria Apprentice

rallypointmilitaria

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Not only that Chris, you can have same kanji for different sounds....

 

i.e. I called "shiki" 式 on the second kanji, but Moriama san kindly pointed out that is was "nori" same kanji for two sounds....

 

just to make things even easier for us, eh??? ;)

 

Cheers

 

This is seriously mind numbing....

 

--Chris

rallypointmilitaria Apprentice

rallypointmilitaria

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here you go, Chris

 

.... possible ways of signing NORI as used by swordsmiths in the past:

 

 

式 曲 令 伯 法 則 祀 廻 乗 順 帥 徳 典

 

makes everything perfectly clear doesn't it!! he he he :D

 

cheers

 

That first one could look like a candidate for this mei...

--Chris

Stephen Grand Master

Stephen

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learning but im a stuck with uji....sorry not any Kanenori that signed that way as far as i can find yet....of course im 99% chance of being wrong but like i said ill stay with Kaneuji.

 

I did find one Kanenori with that nori ...in the 1500s....

sencho Mentor

sencho

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Hi Chris,

 

That is exactly what I thought too.... and what moriyama san was referring to...

 

There is a Tenbun smith signed this waty, Stephen.... cant see any showa's with this....

 

 

兼

式

 

Kanenori

Mino no kuni (Tenbun)

Seki

KAN1849 (15pts)

 

1. kanenori

 

Cheers

Stephen Grand Master

Stephen

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still around hed know it any seki smiths signed with that nori.

 

Its all good mate...ive put up more misinfo than anyone on the board...nice they let the ol guy ramble on and get away with it.

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