Klop Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Hello Gents, This was my first civilian sword, I fell in love with it and it's still one of my favorites, even though it's not a perfect or important piece. Nagasa 62 cm sori 1,6 cm Height 2,8 cm / 1,55 cm thickness 7 mm / 4 mm Hamon is suguha in nioi, healthy boshi. It's got some openings and near the habaki what seems to be a battle scar in the mune. Jean mentioned in another thread (about Hirokane in the translation section) that shortening at the mekugi ana was sometimes done on old blades. And somehow I have always had the idea this is a really old blade; koshi sori, funbari, suguha, small kissaki... But how old exactly... Of course "exactly" is a matter of centuries, 16th seems to be the least, maybe 15th or even further back? I would love to hear your thoughts and the motivation behind them! Kind regards, Eric K. Quote
Stephen Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 owned a couple and seen a few where the nakago was ruff cut/chisel bent snapped off. My take and I have no hard proof that a few GI's removed makers mark like the mum on rifles. Quote
Toryu2020 Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Eric - Need to post photos of the overall nakago as well as close ups of the habaki moto and the hi (horimono) - at first glance, this is not suriage because of the placement of the hi. Really need to see what the hamon is doing at the ha-machi. If this is suriage then the horimono are ato-bori thats why we need to look closely at them. I'm just dumb enough to guess from photographs and given these photos I would say Shinshinto or later... -t Quote
Klop Posted August 12, 2010 Author Report Posted August 12, 2010 Hi Thomas, photo "4" is the complete nakago, did you see that? I'll try to make a picture of the hamon near hamachi, and some of the hi. Polish isn't great (ahum) so let's see what we can get. I agree that the hi would be strangely in the middle of the blade if they were present before shortening because the don't run into the nakago. Therefor I'd think they were cut after shortening. Is that what you mean by ato-bori? Can't find this term in the glossary. About suriage or not, my understanding of the term is "shortening". Given the presence of (half) an ana down the nakago it is very likely that there was more before, and also more than a few cm's. Unless it was a nakago with a second ana at the end and someone decided to remove the last 2 cm Kind regards, Eric K. Quote
Klop Posted August 12, 2010 Author Report Posted August 12, 2010 Hi Thomas, Here are the extra pictures. Hamon is visible, it's running straight into the patina. After my previous post I realised that for a nakago with 2 original holes the space between them would be too small so I think that's not an option. I also took shot of the back, you can see the change in thickness due to polishing. What do you think of the hi? Kind regards, Eric K. Quote
nagamaki - Franco Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Klop said: But how old exactly... Of course "exactly" is a matter of centuries, 16th seems to be the least, maybe 15th or even further back? I would love to hear your thoughts and the motivation behind them! Eric, looking at these images it would not be unreasonable imo to think this sword could be a muromachi period sword based upon overall shape, overview of kassane(thickness 7 mm / 4 mm)/nakago/munemachi, and hamon/boshi. Quote
Klop Posted August 13, 2010 Author Report Posted August 13, 2010 Gentlemen, thanks for your input Kind regards, Eric K. Quote
Jérôme Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Dear Eric, The mune is mitsumune Jérôme Quote
Klop Posted August 13, 2010 Author Report Posted August 13, 2010 Dear Jérôme, No, the mune is ihori. Kind regards, Eric K. Quote
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