Sayagaki help....been a good day

[Lindus]

As you found it so easy with Mr Farrers sayagaki I would ask that you do what has eluded me in total for some years....Also as Sundays go I have been gifted an item that I have "Lusted" after for over twenty five years,I know it is outside the forum guidlines but would really like to include for help......

 

N01 is a n o'tanto

NO2 is a Katana

NO3...........................................my treasure

[Lindus]

in addition...................Some days just cannot get better.

[sanjuro]

Interesting 'treasure you have there...... The short sword is a Warabite To.

[Lindus]

You knew I would ask this......... but what is a "warabite To".....I know I shall regrette asking this but it has been a great day so what the hell......

[cabowen]

sayagaki says:

 

Both large kanji say:

Mino Seki ju Nin Niju San Dai Fujiwara Kanefusa Saku

 

Made by the 23rd generation Fujiwara Kanefusa of Seki in Mino

 

small kanji give the length...Maybe one of the Japanese members will be able to read this as it is mostly illegible to me....

[machinist]

The short sword is a Warabite To.

 

Would that be something like this? (later day copy) http://www.samurai-nippon.net/26/

[Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini]

what is a "warabite To....

 

Ancestral type of swords from Northeastern Japan. Here you'll find an article with info on them : http://www.webalice.it/tsubame1/ (first link, scroll down to the last quarter).

 

Interesting the two upper coins. *IF* they are what it's said they are, they were possibly found together with the Warabite-To.

 

Hardly from Osaka IMHO, date possibly accurate (late VII c./early VIII c.).

 

I'd be grateful if you could share some pics of all protostoric items with me at tsubame1@tin.it .

[Lindus]

I Tried the link but no email came up, is this what you requested?.

 

The O. Tanto has a mei with "Kane Fusa", two characters only.

 

Thanks for the translation of the long inscription, does that include all 23 characters?.

 

Roy

[Lindus]

sorry missed one.

[Lindus]

The short sword is a Warabite To.

 

Would that be something like this? (later day copy) http://www.samurai-nippon.net/26/

 

Not dissimilar Hamon..seeattached.

[Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini]

Thanks.

[Baka Gaijin]

Hi Roy,

 

Warabite 蕨手 Literally a bracken frond uncurling, see the shape of the tsuka area.

 

Cheers

 

Malcolm

[Lindus]

Thank you gentlemen

It is odd as my interest deminish's items po up and it is there again...................now this an item from a now deceased old friend Dr F.A.Turk came my way via Stella Turk,it adorned their Tiny property along with Sheraku prints,small collection of swords from a German "Princeling" (I quote) in the 20's as well as all coins from shells to gold coins from Japans history.

 

The bonus for me is that the rekindled Interest has led me inward and will now try to find in my huge pile of photographs and notes things such as the sword by a smith from Oki Island that had engraved on the Kabuto Gane a parachute holding wings and the cherry blossom of the typical Shin Gunto...............to most sword people of my day {40 plus years ago} meant nothing and our only book in english was John Yumoto who I think stated that nothing in gunto mounts would be of interest!!!.

 

As you may see from the page of oshigata and notes that I have found and publishe on my poor amateur web site, some military swords that have apssed through my hands in forty years had I at the time the knowledge, would still be with me. My first gunto sword signed "Hibano Kinmichi" is now in the US as are many others, I was fortunate to at the time to have worked for First National Securites and traveled the south west of the UK, always posted in local papers where and which hotel I would be satying at,on many occasion the fellow guest would be startled by old military men wandering into reception carrying a sword or two...................enough of my meandering, sadly my collecting days draw to a close but I wish that I had retained more of the epemeria that came with military swords,at the time it was only the blades that werte of interest,eg, the sword from major Gadson.MC.MBE.MID who's medals and even an audio description of the battle where he won his military cross, all of which I re discovered 30 years later in a box of medals and pictures. Another is a senior officers sword from an officer in the |Royal Ulster Rifles who served with the Ghurkas,Captain Mulcahy-Morgan had a wonderfull career but had it not been for a change in our property development it would all have been dumped...We are all Nihonto addicts but please do not make my early mistake in not asking for recent history on Gunto, the small amount I have retrieved have been have been of{Perhaps only to me} enormous pleasure and like two signed war fans {sadly the swords are long gone} added another dimension to Nihonto collecting. One fan signed with a message from a general Kawamura who was later hanged for war crimes is a tinyphot graph of history that will now dissapear.

Finally as I am boreing with this "oof topic" meandering, I rember my old chum Ron Gregory saying that of all his swords both civil and military, the best blades and most interesting storys were of course Kyu,Kai & Shin guntomine are similar, just wish that the internet and this site had been around at the time.

 

Sorry to bore you all but today has revived a lifetime of interest........................

Roy

[Lee Bray]

Please, bore away, Sir. It's interesting to me and I dare say I'm not alone.

Thank you for taking the time to reminisce.

[Toryu2020]

Kanefusa sayagaki number one appears to say; 長サ壹尺有之 or Nagasa: Isshaku kore ari

 

If I may say this is an exceptionally well written sayagaki, I should be interested to see any information on the reverse of these. The length as given on number two eludes me as well...

-t

[Nobody]

The length description in the 2nd sayagaki may be

長サ弐尺弐寸五分有之 – Length; 2-shaku 2-sun 5-bu.

 

However, I am not 100 % sure.

[Lindus]

Kanefusa sayagaki number one appears to say; 長サ壹尺有之 or Nagasa: Isshaku kore ari

 

If I may say this is an exceptionally well written sayagaki, I should be interested to see any information on the reverse of these. The length as given on number two eludes me as well...

-t

 

 

The reverse on both are clear,agree and add that it is a shame we shall never know who applied the sayagaki.

 

Regards

Roy

[Lindus]

The length description in the 2nd sayagaki may be

長サ弐尺弐寸五分有之 – Length; 2-shaku 2-sun 5-bu.

 

However, I am not 100 % sure.

 

 

Once again many thanks, it does seem appropriate.

Roy