cabowen Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 I think that most collectors of nihon-to collect them, at least for the most part, for the craftsmanship shown in the forged steel and the activities in the quenched edge. Most stamped swords are not traditionally made and do not have the qualities that attract collectors of art swords. Therefore, I don't think that the outcome of the war has anything to do with the disinterest shown for these blades, rather, it is their lack of any artistic merit. Quote
george trotter Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 Hi Scott, I echo what Chris says...it is always the quality of the blade that attracts the nihonto collector's interest...that is why the vast majority of WWII swords are ignored (seki/sho stamped), because they have no artistic merit as nihonto. It is not saying they have no value as military history items, just not of interest to us. Regards, BTW, tirade away any time you like ...I like a good tirade myself once in a while :lol: ...just be prepared for some ack-ack fire! Quote
iowa1111 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Posted February 18, 2014 Sorry, not to be so not informed, but when exactly did star stamping begin? I have a Kanehide blade from Oct 1941 without a star stamp, but am fairly sure hand made? Thanks Joe Quote
cabowen Posted February 18, 2014 Report Posted February 18, 2014 I believe around 1942. Most star stamped blades I have seen are from 1943. With some earlier and some later. Your Kanehide is most likely traditionally made. He was a good smith. Quote
cisco-san Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 As George mentioned in another threat, attached the tang from Hayakawa Kaneyuki (including Seki and Haya stamp). Up to now I have no further information about this Haya stamp.... but will look for. Quote
cisco-san Posted February 28, 2014 Report Posted February 28, 2014 Hello, does somebody know this stamp?! Many thanks in advance Klaus Quote
george trotter Posted February 28, 2014 Report Posted February 28, 2014 Klaus, scroll back to page 12 of this thread...you will see the identical mark...I am sorry to say that the sword looks Chinese made to me. Regards, Quote
loiner1965 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Posted March 1, 2014 agree with chris and george here, majority of gunto blades were mass produced for a specific reason and equipment / machinery were at hand to churn them out in the 1000s so to speak. like anything in life they are exceptions and many , many fine blades were produced but you need to look for them as you never know whats hiding under the saya lol many sword collectors will pass racks of guntos on display as 99% will be inferior Quote
cisco-san Posted March 3, 2014 Report Posted March 3, 2014 Klaus,scroll back to page 12 of this thread...you will see the identical mark...I am sorry to say that the sword looks Chinese made to me. Regards, sorry Quote
zentsuji2 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 My star stamp motomura kanemoto, pics of tang and mei,for reference purposes, blade is traditionally made. Best regards. Ian bellis Quote
george trotter Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 Thanks Ian, The stamps on the mune of your RJT blade are "na" and "ho"...meaning Nagoya Arsenal and a second inspection mark. FYI Motomura Kanemoto of Saga originally trained in the Muto School. I had a RJT blade by Muto Hidehiro (see this thread, page 1) and his mune had "ko" and "ho" indicating Kokura arsenal inspection. Regards, Quote
zentsuji2 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 Pleasure George,tried to get a shot of the nie and activities, it is nicer in person,but the flash decimated the hada,what is this large piece of nie called,and the activity behind it. The hamon is prickly with tiny Ashi all along,and two lines of nie in the kissaki,a lot of work for a showato, as some closed minded people still think. A week ago I inquired about an rjt sword,and asked,is there a star stamp, reply"why would you want that,it's just piece of milled steel",here we go again I thought.ha ha Best regards. Ian bellis Quote
george trotter Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 Hi Eric, This is not the place to ask kantei questions...Brian might move your hamon pic and question to the appropriate thread? Just quickly, very coarse nie is usually called ara nie and "lines of nie" in the kissaki can be an indicator of masame hada. Regards, Quote
Stegel Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Hi All, just an update on the stamp appearing on the blade near the habiki. This came from a Japanese fellow on another forum by chance. these 應 marked swords are late war lowered standard swords probably made in China for local and Japanese officers. The Kanji 應 is an older style of the Kanji 応 which is most likely a shortened form of 応急 meaning "emergency", like those similarly 応 marked emergency T-99 rifles. Cisco san, is the tsuba on your one similar to the one on pg12 of this thread? Ern Quote
Brian Posted April 20, 2014 Report Posted April 20, 2014 Well, here's the thread: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread. ... urist-copy They usually took more care with the nakago, even on late war swords. But who knows this late in the war. Brian Quote
cisco-san Posted October 15, 2014 Report Posted October 15, 2014 Hello, does anybody know this stamp? It´s not the Seki satmp, even the blade was made from a Seki smith. Any help would be highly appreciated. many thanks in advnace Klaus Quote
LakeBum Posted October 15, 2014 Report Posted October 15, 2014 Huh, I haven't seen that stamp before. Anyone know the meaning behind it? Quote
cabowen Posted October 15, 2014 Report Posted October 15, 2014 Um, look at the preceding post.... Quote
LakeBum Posted October 15, 2014 Report Posted October 15, 2014 Hah I meant traditional or non traditional made. Should have specified. Quote
cisco-san Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Yasuki hagane 安来鋼 Many thanks for information Quote
Brian Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Search the forum for lots of info on Yasuki steel. And don't forget to add it to the Arsenal Stamps thread in the military section. Brian Quote
Brian Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Stolen from a current eBay auction for future reference... Brian Quote
cabowen Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Translation isn't quite right... " Shin gane iri" 眞金入 means something like "made with true metal" not "core steel". 包鉄 Ho-tetsu means wrapped steel but not necessarily kobuse construction. Quote
george trotter Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 Now that's one I have not seen before. Looks to be better quality production standards than often seen. The K logo must be a manufacturer or sword shop. The kanji just say "sword steel". Any chance of an overall pic and of the nakago? Regards, Quote
reeder Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 Here's a link to the sword. http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=261806884182 I wonder if it's the same arsenal that made the K star bayonets. http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370911 Quote
george trotter Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 Just saw this last post and link. The quality of the fittings look good and the blade too (for a gunto). As for the bayonet question, that is one for the militaria guys. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Quote
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