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[Stephen]

very pricey but very well done. Great detail. If i were a rich man

 

http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBa ... la-image-9

[John A Stuart]

Hi Stephen, Nice, I can see those going quite high $20000. Who do you think they were sculpted by, KyoKoI? GyoKoI? John

[Stephen]

I don't know my sculptors just recognize quality...the one plate has something mitsu saku...cant read the other maybe some of our new metal members can help us out. Yes a very good price indeed just pricey to someone on SSD.

[John A Stuart]

Hi Stephen, I do not think a sculptor would use 'saku' in his mei. If the last kanji was saku it would read akimitsu saku, but I think the last kanji is yori or I as Chinese reading. All Chinese is KyoKoI. Need the pros for this one. When in Kyoto one time in an antique shop, I saw a bronze of this type about 30" tall and a cast base that was tagged at $60000. Of course that area was so high end my nose was bleeding. It is the Gion area where all the Geisha live. Wonderful people in those shops, one woman even gave me an umbrella because it had started pouring rain. Spring there is pretty wet. Love that area. Anyway, John

[Ford Hallam]

Hi Steven, John,

 

the last kanji is "saku", without any doubt . Bronzes of this type and period are almost always signed thus. The, somewhat more common sculptures of this type, from this period ( ie; Meiji ), are often by the Miyao Co.. Their superior products fetch serious prices at auction and are all signed "saku".

 

fwiw, I wouldn't rate this as being the best quality, one give-away is the close-up of the cloud type engraving. Just not enough feeling or sensitivity there.

 

Sorry to sound like a snob but I've been spoiled :D . the price suggested however, is probably fair, they are after all, quite large. But...size isn't everything

 

Ford

[Ford Hallam]

I've just had another look at the figures. I'd suggest that the poses and stands are in fact a period attempt to cash in on the deserved reputation of the aforementioned Miyao Co. But, as I have suggested, the quality is really not there when you look closely.

 

Close, but no cigar :lol:

 

cheers, Ford

[John A Stuart]

Hi Ford, That is good to know. Does this only refer to bronzes? Okimono do not have saku in the mei and most are three part mei in a lozenge. Like KinKoZan a well known name to illustrate. John

 

BTW I am due to receive the new book, 'Dictionary of Japanese Artists, Painting, Sculpture, Ceramics, Lacquer". It should be printed and on its way any day now. I hope it addresses issues like the above. I'll let the board community know how it is when it arrives. John

[Stephen]

goes to show ya what one thinks is quality, I know if I had done that in metal class id been very happy, but as the old saw says, those who can do and those who cant teach and those who cant teach become teamsters. I appreciate your knowledge and if you have a link to some top casting id like to compare them. Your a breath of fresh air for the board. Hai Domo!

[Bungo]

usually bronze of Meiji period show richer patina with various patina treatment ...........numerous examples in Sotheby's, Christie's catalogs.

 

While this one is nice but , like others siad, not quite the highest quality.

 

milt the ronin

[Ford Hallam]

I've scanned these images from a book to try and show the difference in quality. Admittedly these are far more colourful but compare the crispness of the detailing. Sorry about the size of the images but I could'nt retain the detail if I reduced them.

 

hope this helps to illustrate the point, Ford

[Stephen]

Ford

 

tell tell ya the truth I like them both, sometimes all that gold takes away from the silhouette image of the dark patina of bronze.

[Brian]

Ford,

 

That is absolutely mind-blowing

Makes just about every other statue I have ever seen seem primitive.

At this top level, I am sure you don't come across them for sale very often?

 

Brian

[Ford Hallam]

hello Brian,

 

these are probably as good as Miyao Eisuke gets, there are in fact bronzes out here that are significantly better than these. Miyao was pretty much a factory production set up and their output was extensive. The lower end of the companies work is fairly common, no Meiji collector should be without an example, but as you suggest, the really exceptional stuff is less common and very expensive. My wife has just peeked over my shoulder and read this, she would like you to know that we've probably had a battalion of the little fellas on our kitchen table at one time or another. She's become quite blase about the stuff

 

The really serious stuff is actually less flashy, good brown patinas with perhaps eyes and other very small touches etc. in gold. Stevens taste

 

 

Ford

[John A Stuart]

Hi All, I just thought I would post some more pics of Miyoa Co. bronze for comparison, All from the 1890-1900 period. Also a less ostentatious bronze by Nishimura Unsho. Really nice work. John

[Bungo]

I prefer these..............

 

scroll down

 

http://www1.tcnet.ne.jp/aramataa/a30.html

 

 

milt the ronin

[John A Stuart]

Hi Milt, Not a hawk but very life like. They look as if they are ready to fly. It sure seemed to have a place of honour at the Ex. Are they for sale I wonder? I see the Walters gallery mentioned in the footnote. John

[Bungo]

Hi Milt, Not a hawk but very life like. They look as if they are ready to fly. It sure seemed to have a place of honour at the Ex. Are they for sale I wonder? I see the Walters gallery mentioned in the footnote. John

 

I think they WERE for sale then ( at the Columbia Exposition in Chicago ? ).......they listed the " then " price , followed by the " now " estimate equivalent price but not for sale as they are part of the museum collection (i.e. unless they want to , what's that word, de-acession? , and buy into some impressionist paintings )

 

milt the ronin

[Ford Hallam]

Hi Milt,

 

Suzuki Chokichi's hawks. Life-size studies in an amazing array of alloy tones and techniques. If that set was on the open market it would easily fetch more than $1000 000. If you'd like me to make a copy for you, pm me I'm sure i could make them for less .

 

cheers, Ford

[Bungo]

Hi Milt,

 

Suzuki Chokichi's hawks. Life-size studies in an amazing array of alloy tones and techniques. If that set was on the open market it would easily fetch more than $1000 000. If you'd like me to make a copy for you, pm me I'm sure i could make them for less .

 

cheers, Ford

 

how about a netsuke size one ?

 

milt the ronin

[fitzer]

Heres another Samurai Bronze:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPERB-C1880-SIGNED ... dZViewItem

[John A Stuart]

Hi All, I was a little light on what I thought they would go for. Final price was an even $28 000 US. Could get a nice sword for that. John