some help with tanto's please

[sudden]

can somebody help with translation and are they authentic ?

j.koster

[Mark]

one kanji is ichi and one is the kanji for year but it does not look Japanese to me. no idea if the blade is genuine but the inscription is suspect at best

[Jean]

2 different nakago

 

the last one is ..... 3rd picture : Mune machi does not seem aligned with Hamachi.

First kanji can be read as Yama or first kanji in Gassan

 

2 picture : first kanji has several reading one as Oo or Dai meaning: Big/large, second looks like Gawa (river)

[Marius]

No need to translate anything. This one is a Chinese fake.

[Jamie]

The one with the Ichi mark- the Nagako should look much older right?

I may be incorrect, heck I probably am, but I thought only Kamakura blades have that mark.

[Marius]

  Jamie said:

The one with the Ichi mark- the Nagako should look much older right?

I may be incorrect, heck I probably am, but I thought only Kamakura blades have that mark.

 

Oh dear... Screaming fake!

[Jean]

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I may be incorrect

 

Jamie, yes, you are ....

[sudden]

thanks for the replys

the two tanto's were on a advertisement site

if i can get a foto of the complete knife i will post it

 

just a beginner who can use a lot of help

 

jan.k

[Grey Doffin]

Hi Jan,

Here's some help. Buy books and study before you buy blades.

Grey

[sudden]

luckely i haven't bought them yet

i was asking you guys firtst for an opinion

 

jan.k

[Jean]

Jan,

 

Read 3 major books, above all look at pictures, like children, then see 50/100 Blades and then buy one. Connect everyday at Aoi-Art Website, they have the best scan (not the best swords). You'll see tenth of signatures, hundred swords then you will perhaps escape buying junk.

 

Do not try e-bay or auction, as you have not even the experience to know what is a tanto..

[kuromido]

Hi Jan, Here are a couple observations to consider.

In the first picture there looks to be a welding "puddle" mark near the top left.

Next, the YASURIME (file marks) are poorly laid in and wander. Same for the shape of the tang. Third the NAKAGO-JIRI (Tang tip) looks like it was done with a belt grinder. Finally, In the last picture, The mekugi-ana was not punched in but Drilled, proofed by the ragged burrs around its edge, There also looks to be mill scale missed by the grinder near the end (the grey shiny scale at center bottom.

 

Many years ago a wise boss and mentor told me a tip about buying antiques that I have carried with me

always (although many times ignored to my peril). He said " Before anything else, train your eye for quality" In other words, dont get attached or blinded by anything before taking a sharp critical look for quality workmanship. It has always helped me from getting burned. Before that however, Heed the advise of jean, grey and others---Study first and foremost. Books are a bargain at any price, and will keep giving for years to come,

 

Best of luck, PeterD