Kiyomitsu sayagaki

[huntershooter]

Any help in reading this sayagaki is greatly appreciated.

 

Thank you.

[george trotter]

Hi Todd, I'll have a go...(Morita san and Moriyama san chigau koto ga areba, naoshite kudasaimasenka...onegaishimasu).

Todd...you already know it is Kiyomitsu...the sayagaki says ...

Bizen Kuni Ju Osafune Magouemonjo Kiyomitsu

RH col. Showa? Mei Mono Cho ni (futatsu) Do Mei (Showa? name genealogy has two inscriptions the same)

LH col. Shosetsu ari Eiroku era (views/opinions/accounts vary...Eiroku era)

the rest is length (2 shaku/1 sun/8 bu/?? kore wa arimasu) and the sayagaki writer's Kao.

 

from this description you should be able to look it up in Hawley's or some of the other references?

 

hope I haven't messed up too much.

Regards,

george.

[huntershooter]

Hey George. I have a trove of information on Magoueamon Kiyomitsu.

My interest was that the sayagaki supported the blade (the saya contains) and whom has written the attribution (is it believable?).

Thanks for your effort George!

[george trotter]

Hi Todd,

Yes the sayagaki says the same as the blade (if blade mei is Magouemonjo Kiyomitsu)...I am not sure how accurate my translation of the "comments" section is (it is a bit hard to read), but I'm sure someone will help if I'm drastically wrong.

As to who the writer is i don't know...those 2 "??" kanji above the Kao might be his ID...not sure...they are hard - might say "Gorin Muneyuki" ...I just don't know...but some here are pretty good on sayagaki names and might know the Kao...so might pick up on that.

If you need to know about believability, you can post pics of the blade so people can compare...just be prepared for the occasional harsh comment along with the helpful ones.

Regards,

George.

[reinhard]

Hi Todd,

As to who the writer is i don't know...those 2 "??" kanji above the Kao might be his ID...not sure...they are hard - might say "Gorin Muneyuki" ...I just don't know...

George.

 

"Gorin" is not a name but part of the measurement. Rin is the tenth part of bu and "go rin" therefore meaning: "five rin" (in length). I've never heard of a Japanese family punished with a name like that.

 

reinhard

[reinhard]

Showa? Mei Mono

 

It says: Showa meibutsu (as in: "meibutsucho")

 

Whatever that's supposed to mean here.

 

reinhard

[k morita]

Hi,

 

I believe,this Sayagaki was written after 1979,written by unskilled amateur writer(former owner?? ).

[showa Meibutsu cho](The famous swords list in Showa period) written on this Sayagaki was published in 1979.

[Nobody]

The comment part says “The same mei appears in Showa Meibutsu Cho, ca Eiroku (as for the blade age)”.

 

昭和名物牒ニ同銘所載アリ永禄頃 (Showa Meibutsu Cho ni domei shosai ari, Eiroku goro)

[huntershooter]

Thank you gentlemen.

Further investigation is forthcoming.