4.1'' yari blade

[budodeshi]

I won i small yari on ebay today for 36$.Total lengh is 23'' with a 4.1'' nagasa and 2.1cm for motohaba.

There's no mei but it looks authentique as for age i would not dare speculate.

 

Would anyone know of some sites with info like the reason for these(stelth)? or how to narrow down the make of this one.

 

I can post only the pic i got from the ebay seller if you whant or wait ti'll i get it in a week or so.

Thanks

[John A Stuart]

The thing about yari is that there is almost no possible permutation that can be dreamed of that wasn't made at one time or another. Some su-yari were very short. Not having seen yours and having your description only, I would think it could be some sort of seisankakuyari or ryoshinogiyari. These can be as little as 2cm long, but, have a long nakago. John

[budodeshi]

That sound right from the pic i have the tang looks like 3 times longer then the blade.

Its late so I'll post up the pic i have for now.

oh and thanks John for thaefast reply.

I'm glad i joined this forum i'v learned a ton more in the last few day's.

Thanks again.

[budodeshi]

Looks like i wont be getting my yari.This is the massage i woke up to.

 

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your order.

 

I have bad news.

The international aviation law was changed from JULY of 2010.

 

I can not send the swords and spears by not nonstop airplain.

From Japan to your country, there is not nonstop airplain.

 

So I can not send to your country by EMS and SAL.

I can send by only suraface.

 

But Surface is without insurance and need one month ~ two month.

 

If you can accept by surface, I can refund money of difference shipping cost.

 

This is $.

 

And I will send you by surface.

 

If you can not accept by surface.

I will full refund money.

 

I am sorry this case....

Please let me know your answer.

I am waiting for your e-mail.

Best regards.

 

What the hell

[John A Stuart]

I have seen this problem crop up lately. Myself, I have the patience to wait 2~3 months, after all I have waited for 2 years for some things to have been finished. Insurance is something you may be able to arrange, if the piece warrants it. Good luck. John

[budodeshi]

I don't think that they offer insurance for ground mail.If they did I'd wait.but i don't want to take the chance that it gets lost.

[Mark Green]

I have a number of 5in or less yari with long nakago. The horse/yari guys liked them. Less chance of getting stuck into something deep, and not being able to remove it. The long thick nakago made them hard to break/cut.

If it's out of Japan, it is likely ok. If you want a yari, I would say at that price, let them send it ground. It may only take a week or two.

Cheers, Mark

[drbvac]

It will only take a week or two if you line on the continent, I mailed a book to one of the members in AUstralia by "ground" and it really is ground and ship and it took 2 1/2 months ! No rush - no problem it will eventually turn up :lol

 

This yari is about the same length, 4 1/2 "

 

 

 

[John A Stuart]

You post a good example, Brian, of the type and as how a lot of them are suriage. John

[Brian]

EMS Japan will only take blades if there is a direct flight, not if there is any stopover.

I would just wait the 8-12 weeks. Not like it cost a lot.

However if you don't want to wait, then ask them if they will ship to a friend in the USA (direct flights) and have them forward it to you.

Some on the forum will do this for a small commission. Hoever duties, shipping etc are at your cost.

 

Brian

[budodeshi]

I gess i'll take the chance to have it shipped by ground mail.

 

Heres some pic from the seller.

 

[John A Stuart]

Now that you have posted a picture, I can say that it is an ichoyari or sometimes called a ginnanboyari. John

[Mark Green]

Heck Dave, you couldn't get that saya made for 36$

You did just fine.

[drbvac]

Great deal -- and by ground the postage will be very inexpensive as well ! You done well !

[pcfarrar]

It looks like a modern fake. daimyou54eb has these on ebay all the time and carefully note that he doesn't specify the age.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350333180556

[drbvac]

I did wonder about the 36 bucks and now that you mention this, I remember this so you could be right Peter. He also shows 4 and 6 inch naginata for sale! That said the shirasaya is worth the money.

[budodeshi]

Fake or not for 36$ not its not to much of a lost .

[ottou812]

I also have noticed that seller has been selling what I think are modern "reproductions".

[Mark Green]

That could be a fake. If it is resell it to a yari m a for practice.

 

That long Su-yari with the big fuller is sweet looking. More on the line with what you will pay for the real thing.

 

I love yari.

 

Mark G

[b.hennick]

  Quote

It looks like a modern fake. daimyou54eb has these on ebay all the time and carefully note that he doesn't specify the age.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0333180556

I got stung with that description. He says "old" and then adds the disclaimer that some might think differently...

Mine was made yesterday! daimyou54eb is not my favorite seller. Keep away or read very very carefully.

[Klop]

I think that sometimes this seller has nice items, but it is true that most things are recent. There is a pattern in the descriptions; "old / little old" usually means made last week. When it is really old the description mentions "genuine" and "edo", and often the starting price is set accordingly. Starting at $ 10 is an indication of replica or fatal flaw. Watch the closeups carefully and ask for extra pictures when in doubt. In my experience he answers questions honestly; I asked about a suspected crack once (cannot remember hagire or ware) and he admitted it was.

 

After buying my yarinata viewtopic.php?f=15&t=6822 last december I got the same story that EMS wasn't possible. As far as I know Tokio-Amsterdam is a nonstop flight, that didn't seem to matter. The sellers default shipping conditions are not up to date as these still mention EMS.

 

Anyway, I decided to take the chance, the journey by boat took about 1,5 months but it arrived safe and sound. Although not traceable online the shipment was registered and barcoded and I had to sign for receipt. Seems

relatively safe, at least it's not just fire and forget. Of course everyone has to make their own decision at what point the risk seems too high.

 

 

Good luck,

EricK.

[budodeshi]

So after some consideration i decided to get a refund.Not just because it may be fake at 36$ i was not holding my breath.I'll put the money some were else.

Thank for all the response sorry to have wasted your time but it was not a total lost i learned a few new things about the Yari.

Thanks

[estcrh]

  pcfarrar said:

It looks like a modern fake. daimyou54eb has these on ebay all the time and carefully note that he doesn't specify the age.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350333180556

Daimyou is hard to understand, he obviously know the difference between an old item and a replica but he just wont come right out and say it, its like a game, real antiques mixed in with modern replicas and you have to guess.

[Bugyotsuji]

  estcrh said:

  pcfarrar said:

It looks like a modern fake. daimyou54eb has these on ebay all the time and carefully note that he doesn't specify the age.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350333180556

Daimyou is hard to understand, he obviously know the difference between an old item and a replica but he just wont come right out and say it, its like a game, real antiques mixed in with modern replicas and you have to guess.

 

Agreed. I have actually been in his warehouse.

 

Last year I saw one of these yari in shira-saya and at first it looked good. On closer inspection it did not have the quality of a genuine Edo or earlier Yari. I heard then that they are made in a large neighboring country across the water.

[b.hennick]

Daimyou54eb did not respond to my telling him that the yari I bought was a fake. He claims that he never received the reproduction menuki that I bought from him and returned. Twice bitten - once I see that it is his auction I never bid. My advice do not go there....

[bone]

I recently bought an "edo" period Kanetada from him. Like a lot of other items he sells this had been hit with a grinder or dremmel on the boshi and a couple spots on the blade. No serious damage but curious. Mine also has one on the nakago and it's been done very recently. It's there to hide the arsenal stamp. I'm still new but I'm pretty sure they didn't put arsenal stamps on during the edo period. The worse part is before I realized my mistake I'd bought another one from him. Some of his stuff is real but I don't think it's worth the risk.

[watsonmil]

I agree with Peter, ... just another of daimyo54eb fakes or as I prefer to call him " damnyou54bs ". This guy is one step below a Lawyer in intergrity, .... and just a tiny bit above that of a Politician. He has done the collecting community great dis-service with his an antique here ( usually poor ), ... and fake there ( sometimes pretty good but never-the-less fake ). A pox on his wallies !

 

... Ron Watson

[sanjuro]

It hasnt always been like this with this seller. About two years ago, I bought a nice blade from him on ebay. I dont as a rule even watch ebay because its a cess pit, but on this occasion I did. The item was excellent and I later resold it to a friend (Yes, he's still my friend)who had the blade polished and sent to shinsa. The blade passed and has since been resold for many times what I paid. Times seem to have changed this seller, and I can not disagree with what has been said here about his current stock in trade.

I think its a sign of the times that repro's and fakes abound. Part of the reason they do is because there a load of would be collectors out there that cant be bothered getting a little education before they buy. Where theres a market, there is someone supplying it. In this case they prey on the lazy and the ignorant. Show me a sheep and theres some dude out there willing to fleece him! If there werent any sheep there would be no shearers. Shopping on ebay, is like a sheep with a full fleece walking through a shearing shed and hoping to keep his wool.

[leo]

nicely put, Keith!

For all long time collectors I can only say: what you get is what you see! I do not blame this seller, because he offers cheap items for a cheap price. If you want to play the lottery why do you complain afterwards that you did not win?

Why don´t you just enjoy the flea market for what it is, scan the cheap prints for a genuine Picasso, but don´t whine because you did not find it!

 

Regards, Martin

[Dewa501]

Sorry David, Peter is right, this Yari is undoubtedly new made.

Chris Fox.