Naginata-naoshi

[Bosco]

3 hours ago, Franco said:

 

Hmm. It seems that were back to square one. 

 

Apparently, I can't even believe my own eyes any more.

 

I'm going to have to break the bad news to the sword owner that he no longer owns a naginata-naoshi. He'll have to tear up the NBTHK Tokubetsu Hozon paper, and have Mr. Tanobe's sayagaki removed. He'll then have to tell the polisher that he didn't do what he did. All because Jacques says so.

 

It's just amazing the lengths someone will go to, so as to never admit and accept when they're wrong and mistaken. 

 

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

MLK Jr. 

 

 

 

We all know so called “ scientist “ has high ignorance and always in denial. If it doesn’t fit his study he won’t accept it. 

[Alex A]

23 hours ago, Jacques said:

Franco 

 

It's not enough to say a polisher can do this - you have to prove it. Facts are facts words are only words... And many naginata naoshi are not true naginata naoshi but only made in the style...

 

Its not enough to see 200 swords and own some books and think you know it all either.

 

Compare yourself to the likes of those in Japan that handle various numbers of swords daily, 200 swords is nothing. Even seeing many swords from a smith, its not them all.

 

Remember Paul B years ago saying just when you think you know something, you realise you know nothing. Sometimes something crops up that throws a spanner in the works, so to speak.

 

What i have come to realise, a good few years ago but finally sank in. There are so many oddballs out there that i now prefer to keep an open mind, and shut up.

 

Folks sometimes dwell on trivial matters over "hand made" pieces of history that often have no more history than what is in hand. In other words, assuming.

[Lewis B]

I paid a visit to the Samurai museum in Berlin today and saw some excellent blades including a TJ Rai Kunimitsu and a juyo blade by his father Kunitoshi. The Kunimitsu was spectacular. Other standouts for me were 2 Gassan Sadakazu swords, a TJ Bizen Kageyasu and a Juyo Sa Kunihiro Naginata Naoshi from the Nanbokucho era.

 

The Kunihiro had so many interesting features such as midare utsuri along the length of the blade and guess what, a kaeri boshi. You can't tell me a boshi like this was envisaged and executed by the smith. This is the result of some major reworking to create the Naginata naoshi.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rayhan]

3 hours ago, Lewis B said:

I paid a visit to the Samurai museum in Berlin today and saw some excellent blades including a TJ Rai Kunimitsu and a juyo blade by his father Kunitoshi. The Kunimitsu was spectacular. Other standouts for me were 2 Gassan Sadakazu swords, a TJ Bizen Kageyasu and a Juyo Sa Kunihiro Naginata Naoshi from the Nanbokucho era.

 

The Kunihiro had so many interesting features such as midare utsuri along the length of the blade and guess what, a kaeri boshi. You can't tell me a boshi like this was envisaged and executed by the smith. This is the result of some major reworking to create the Naginata naoshi.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is nothing to say this wasn't created by the smith especially for a Sa smith. I think study is required by everyone on this thread, myself included. 

[Bugyotsuji]

Yesterday I was helping the local branch of the NBTHK set up a display in Kurashiki's Achi Jinja. On the top of a small hill, a simply beautiful spot at any time of year, but this week the wisteria are in full bloom, making it extra special. It was a small exhibition room, but we had 400 visitors yesterday alone, of whom perhaps 100 from overseas. Had long chats about Japanese blades with a German lady, a Scottish couple, an Australian couple, some French people and a half-German half-British guy named Dominic! (Exhibition continues today, Sunday).

 

There was an unsigned Unju naginata naoshi Katana 薙刀直し刀 of around 1360 AD on display, but with no kaeri. Long 'Bo-utsuri'. I asked if that last kanji should be read '-to' or '-gatana'. "With a hard 'k', Katana" they said. (The caption did not indicate when the conversion from naginata to katana might have taken place, but they must have judged it worth saving.)

 

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[Benjamin]

Beyond the debate, this thread is a pleasure for the eye! There are beautiful pics here and there. Love Naginata Naoshi.