Expert Opinions, Please!

[Bruce Pennington]

Hey guys! 

Friend of my has this one from his grandpa.  Mumei, looks old.  Can you give us some idea what he's got?  Nagasa is 27" (Ignore the stone it's laying on, I told him about that issue)::

 

 

[David Flynn]

Kanbun Shinto.

[Bruce Pennington]

  On 2/18/2025 at 12:29 AM, David Flynn said:

Kanbun Shinto.

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Thanks David!  I'll pass that along.

[Rivkin]

Yes, sugata wise very close to Kambun... I would check if boshi is sugu for confirmation.

[Jacques]

I can't read chicken entrails, without measures (sori, motohaba, sakihaba, kasane), I can't say anything. 

[Stephen]

Grandma used to always say "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"

[Bruce Pennington]

Thanks guys!  I'd say he's happy with David's idea.  He doesn't know anything about swords and is just happy to know it's old.  It was in leather saya, but the tsuka was reduced to same' only, no metal fittings, no ito.  So, I'm walking him through ideas on how to retro-fit the tsuka to something he would like.

[Tohagi]

Without that last post, I would think at a zatoïchi blade. (Hided in a march stick of course!)...

[Bruce Pennington]

I noticed how straight it was with very little sori.

[Tohagi]

27'' is not zatoïchi ....very straight sory, kabun shinto or momoyama tensho seems and educated guess

[Jacques]

  On 2/18/2025 at 11:53 PM, Stephen said:

Grandma used to always say "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"

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Let your sarcasm aside, if you can guess the age of a sword without the measurements, you'll have to teach the method to the experts at NBTHK.

[Stephen]

Coming from the most sarcastic member we have that's pretty rich.

 

If your grandmother never said that well that explains a lot

 

[Jacques]

My grandmother, who was a psychiatrist, used to say to me: “Don't listen to what most people say, it's often nonsense”.

[Stephen]

  On 2/24/2025 at 7:02 PM, Jacques said:

listen to what most people say, it's often nonsense”.

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Yep she knew you

[Geraint]

Aaaannndd back to the sword!  First picture seems to show a forward stoop from the monuchi, as though is has been struck against something pretty solid.  Just the photograph?  Or possibly just my eyes. 

 

All the best.

[Jacques]

https://www.samuraim...u-hozon-certificate/

[Mark S.]

  On 2/24/2025 at 7:02 PM, Jacques said:

My grandmother, who was a psychiatrist, used to say to me: “Don't listen to what most people say, it's often nonsense”.

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A psychiatrist who doesn’t listen to people…   Never thought they were very useful anyway.  

[Bruce Pennington]

  On 2/25/2025 at 8:14 AM, Geraint said:

Aaaannndd back to the sword!  First picture seems to show a forward stoop from the monuchi, as though is has been struck against something pretty solid.  Just the photograph?  Or possibly just my eyes. 

 

All the best.

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These are the only photos I have, so hard to say.  Looking at the enlarged one below, I'd say it was just illusion from the photo angle.  

[Jacques]

  On 2/25/2025 at 2:47 PM, Mark S. said:

 

A psychiatrist who doesn’t listen to people…   Never thought they were very useful anyway.  

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There's a big difference between listening to a patient suffering from illness and listening to the bullshit spouted at the local bar. In any case, thank you for showing me that she was right.

[Jacques]

  On 2/25/2025 at 3:20 PM, Bruce Pennington said:

These are the only photos I have, so hard to say.  Looking at the enlarged one below, I'd say it was just illusion from the photo angle.  

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It's not kanbun the sugata doesn't match, but it's typical of what could be done in Meiji.

[jsv]

Tell him to take better photos and remove the habaki.

 

[Tohagi]

The shape of the Shinshinto Masakuni sword spotted by Jacques is very close.

By the way, anytime I'd mention "patriotic blades" (Kinnoto if I am right?) In Japan, I've got a strange reaction back from the nihonto community.

Is that because it is irrelevant? Rude? Or just politicaly touchy?

 

Did you had such experiences?

 

Kind regards, 

 

Eric 

 

[Lewis B]

  On 2/25/2025 at 5:04 PM, Jacques said:

listening to a patient suffering from illness and listening to the bullshit spouted at the local bar

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In many instances do you really think you can tell the difference?

[Jacques]

I don't care, I'm not a psychiatrist and reading your nonsense is enough for me.

[Matsunoki]

I have no idea why @Jacques is comparing the  sugata  of an ubu sword to another that clearly appears to be suriage and possibly o-suriage. That is nonsensical.

 

 

[Jacques]

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that clearly appears to be suriage and possibly o-suriage. 

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I would like to know your method for determining whether this sword is suriage or not? I'll reassure you right away that the number of mekugi ana doesn't enter into the equation.

[reinhard]

There is something wrong with the sori (curvature) of the blade.

The monouchi-area seems to bow down.

This indicates a retempering of the upper part of the blade.

Close expertise (in hand) could solve this question.

 

reinhard

 

 

[Matsunoki]

  On 2/26/2025 at 8:56 PM, Jacques said:

I would like to know your method for determining whether this sword is suriage or not?

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Read what I said. “Appears”. “Possibly”

[Jacques]

  On 2/27/2025 at 7:14 AM, Matsunoki said:

Read what I said. “Appears”. “Possibly”

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You wrote :"That clearly appears." Don't add dishonesty to your incompetence

[Matsunoki]

  On 2/27/2025 at 9:15 AM, Jacques said:

Don't add dishonesty to your incompetence

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What is the difference between clearly appears and appears in these images? It’s bloody clear to me ……maybe you need glasses. 

Jacques, you make yourself look a complete idiot and please don’t call me dishonest because I am not. 
You are now directly calling me incompetent and dishonest.

Is that the limit of your massive scientific intelligence?