nihon Posted Sunday at 02:03 PM Report Posted Sunday at 02:03 PM https://www.aoijapan...kubetsu-hozon-token/ Just curious, how often do these kinds of daisho nbthk certificate happen. Is it common, uncommon or rare that this happens? Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted Sunday at 07:59 PM Report Posted Sunday at 07:59 PM I think short answer is that they are extremely rare. Quote
Rivkin Posted Monday at 08:03 AM Report Posted Monday at 08:03 AM To me the most interesting answer is that they are virtually unknown for pre-shinshinto blades. In books samurai wore a pair during the entire Edo period, but it seems like pair Tsuba and pair blades in 99% of cases begins roughly with 1800. Otherwise, they are rare even for shinshinto. Quote
Gerry Posted Monday at 04:43 PM Report Posted Monday at 04:43 PM Aoi Art actually had a reasonably priced Morioka Miyaguchi daisho (900,000 yen) that I was almost going to buy back in Nov last year. I went down to the store, viewed the blades, and spoke to Tsurata-san about getting the daisho certified as such with NBTHK papers. He confirmed that as long as a katana and wakizashi were of the same smith with matching mei and nenki, NBTHK would paper them together on the same certificate. I went ahead and reserved the daisho, and was preparing payment when Aoi realized that Mr. Miyaguchi was still alive at 92 years old, and was still taking commissions for swords! So I couldn't get the daisho papered, and didn't proceed with the purchase. Therefore, it's apparently reasonably easy to get daisho NBTHK papers if you meet the conditions stated above, but you don't really see pre-shinshinto blades made as daisho. 1 Quote
Gakusee Posted Tuesday at 07:44 AM Report Posted Tuesday at 07:44 AM Proper sword daisho are extremely rare indeed in pre ShinShinto times but they do exist. 2 1 Quote
Gakusee Posted Tuesday at 07:51 AM Report Posted Tuesday at 07:51 AM 5 minutes ago, Gakusee said: Proper sword daisho are extremely rare indeed in pre ShinShinto times but they do exist. The real daisho regulations really applied to the koshirae and the length of the blades. The names of the swords were not regulated and did not matter. 2 Quote
Jacques Posted Tuesday at 08:26 AM Report Posted Tuesday at 08:26 AM Daisho comes from the obligation for samurai to carry two swords (some non samurai were permitted to carry a wakizashi), one long and one short, the rest being a question of aesthetics and fashion... Quote
Cola Posted Tuesday at 03:55 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 03:55 PM 7 hours ago, Jacques said: Daisho comes from the obligation for samurai to carry two swords (some non samurai were permitted to carry a wakizashi), one long and one short, the rest being a question of aesthetics and fashion... But then there's the question whether we're talking about: -a long and short sword made by the same smith, collected at a later time. -a long and short sword made as a pair by a smith to be worn together. -a long and a short sword used by a samurai for which he had matching koshirae made. -a long and a short sword for which some collector at some point made matching koshirae. Quote
Jacques Posted 23 hours ago Report Posted 23 hours ago The samurai who could afford a daisho made by Inoue Shinkai with a high-quality mount could be counted on the fingers of one hand, most low-level samurai or ronin wore what they could. A daisho is a long sword and a short sword worn at the same time, everything else is a matter of fashion and flattered ego. I remember a “daisho” sold by Nihonto.com; it was a “daisho” with two Shinkai blades (different Nengo) and the koshirae had attachments (tsuba and fushikashira had different certificates). The whole thing was sold as a daisho at an exorbitant price. Clearly, they were collected pieces from all over to make a whole. Quote
ZH1980 Posted 17 hours ago Report Posted 17 hours ago Sharing a papered daisho tsuba set from my collection. I suspect later Edo daisho tsuba are more common than the daisho blades you are discussing, but wanted to share nonetheless. 1 1 Quote
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