Incredibly rare kai-gunto being auctioned in France!

[Yukihiro]

Here is something you won't see every day: enjoy!

 

https://www.naturabu...2-item-12989895.html

 

By the way, the seller can't even spell 'japonais' correctly...

 

 

[Lewis B]

[Kiipu]

The previous owner even wrote his name on the blade along with an ID number in case it got stolen.  I think I will do this with all of mine as well.  Great minds think alike!

小田一郎

[Yukihiro]

6 minutes ago, Kiipu said:

The previous owner even wrote his name on the blade along with an ID number in case it got stolen.  I think I will do this with all of mine as well.  Great minds think alike!

小田一郎

That is assuredly a good way of making your genuinely authentic gunto much more valuable!

[Bruce Pennington]

 

I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry

[Yukihiro]

Well, the fact is that there have been bids on that thing, and that it is now worth a staggering 810€!

[Shugyosha]

There’s (insert appropriate quantity) born every minute. There’ll be a “what did I just buy” thread shortly…

[John C]

I think the seller should accept some responsibility for selling fake/forged/inaccurately described items. We condemn the poor buyer for buying this stuff. But he/she is simply relying on the opinion of the auction house. In other words, the buyer trusts the seller's assessment because we can't be experts at everything. Personally, I don't blame the victim for getting duped by, what is supposed to be, a trusted source. I think the auction site should be held criminally and/or financially liable. 

 

John C.

[Matsunoki]

39 minutes ago, John C said:

Personally, I don't blame the victim for getting duped by, what is supposed to be, a trusted source. I think the auction site should be held criminally and/or financially liable. 

I’m sure the Auctioneers (I’m not familiar with this one) will have their rear end well protected by “terms and conditions” ….usually shifting the onus onto the buyers to prove otherwise.

But, going back to Ancient Rome, the principle of “caveat emptor” has been the over-riding guidance for any buyer of anything and it’s wise to take heed.

I agree it’s nasty, all fraud is and nowadays you almost start from the premise that all is not what you hope it is. The modern world……

Words of my long gone grandfather from over 60 years ago suggest was it always thus…..”believe nothing you hear and half what your see”….and it’s got a lot worse since then. Even the major Auction Houses have horrendous skeletons they hope will never emerge from the closet.
 

[John C]

I agree that folks should do their research on things before purchasing, hence the popularity of yelp and other review sites. But, again just my point of view, that doesn't excuse the seller from making false or misleading claims about their products. If anyone can make any claim about their product then qualify it with "but we're not experts", Pandora's Box is opened up and all accountability re: fraud is lost. I acknowledge, however, there is a difference between ignorance and intent. Sometimes people just don't know what they have. But if that is the case, maybe they shouldn't make any claims about it at all until they do their research.

Just my two cents. As someone who upheld the [rule of] law for so long, my sense of fairness runs deep and I get irritated with the blatantly false descriptions I read online.

 

John C.

[Matsunoki]

2 minutes ago, John C said:

Just my two cents

Yes I agree totally John but 40+ years inside the Antique trade as a dealer, restorer and collector has rather “case hardened” me to the nasty reality of it all. Just about every single category of art, antique, antiquity or any collectable is now riddled with fakery and fraud of really frightening sophistication. Pick any subject and it will have a dirty underbelly involving global brands even. There seems no room anymore for “fair play”……it’s like the wild west out there……and I share your irritation (especially as I’ve been caught heavily in the past (Chinese porcelain)).

 

[Yukihiro]

This 'sword' is definitely sold as a traditionally made blade with a hada and a 'beautiful' hamon. The seller calls it a Japanese (sorry: Japannese!) Navy sword, not a Chinese copy, which is highly misleading and dishonest.

[Bruce Pennington]

Rock Island protects themselves by using the word "style" in the description, like "Japaese style sword", "Japanese style NCO sword" ect.  

[Yukihiro]

The seller had stipulated a minimum bid of 850€ ($878!) for that sword, which made it somewhat more valuable in the eyes of the present highest bidder, who is willing to pay that kind of money (and maybe much more!) for such a piece of cheap Chinese crap 

[Sam Smith]

ALL FAKE.