Kantaro Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 Looks fine to me but depends what you mean with "worthy"? Quote
Rawa Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 Not a fake. Its posted on literally 8 auctions. Exact same tsuba Quote
Shugyosha Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 I think worth the price? An unsigned, papered tsuba to a fairly generic school, at USD 369 - yes it’s probably worth that and shouldn’t lose money if the OP sells it on. Quote
Shugyosha Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 Oh - sorry, posts crossed. Don’t know because I don’t do internet auctions. If it helps, the tsuba and papers match and the papers are old but look legitimate. I don’t think there’s much point in faking papers to Shoami but that’s my opinion. Quote
Rawa Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 Thanks for all help. But why same item is posted on so many accounts? Quote
Shugyosha Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 Again, don’t know - I’d steer clear if you have doubts: it doesn’t sound like a legitimate seller to me. Quote
Kantaro Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 Interesting is that this item was not sold yet in the past. That is a good sign. But it is strange different sellers from Japan try to sell this the same time. Are they the same? Quote
Matsunoki Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Kantaro said: Interesting is that this item was not sold yet in the past. That is a good sign. Paris, not sure if I’m understanding you correctly but, if a tsuba is for sale on 8 different auctions but it hasn’t sold, that is NOT a good sign. It signals that something is wrong….either with the item, or the seller or the circumstances that it is being sold under. Yes you can see the same thing for sale by several different sellers, they steal the images from the original auction/listing and realist it trying to sell it for a bit higher price then if they sell it they quickly buy it from the original seller. It’s a dirty game. Stay away is my advice. 1 1 Quote
Kantaro Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 I do agree with you Colin, but I hope you understand my point of view that it would have been worse if this tsuba was already sold in the past. 1 Quote
ZH1980 Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 What concerns me ever-so-slightly about this tsuba is that the original seller/owner (on Mercari) has many tsubas for sale with modern hozon origami - many of which were issued on the same day by NBTHK. I could be wrong, but this has led me to believe that the seller himself submits his tsuba for evaluation with NBTHK. As this tsuba has the (far less desirable) old origami, it begs the question - at least in my mind - why the seller didn’t get updated Hozon origami for this tsuba. Could it be because he thought the tsuba wouldn’t pass Hozon evaluation? Maybe he did submit it for Hozon and the tsuba ultimately didn’t pass evaluation? Maybe I’m overthinking it … 1 Quote
Shugyosha Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 Hi Zachary, I don’t think that old papers attributing a tsuba to a generic school are a problem. The issue was with old papers and swords being attributed to big-name sword smiths. In this case it would probably cost close to or more than the value of the tsuba to re-submit to shinsa so that bit isn’t a concern - it’s the multiple listings that might be a problem. 1 Quote
ZH1980 Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 2 hours ago, Shugyosha said: Hi Zachary, I don’t think that old papers attributing a tsuba to a generic school are a problem. The issue was with old papers and swords being attributed to big-name sword smiths. In this case it would probably cost close to or more than the value of the tsuba to re-submit to shinsa so that bit isn’t a concern - it’s the multiple listings that might be a problem. Great point, John! Quote
Rawa Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 9 hours ago, ZH1980 said: The price on Mercari is ¥35,100 ($225). Could you post auction link here? Quote
Rawa Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 I thought initally that all those sellers work in broker system Quote
Rawa Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 Ok I still buying this, but through ebay. Getting certificate as @Shugyosha wrote is basically price of it. Quote
ZH1980 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 20 hours ago, Rawa said: Could you post auction link here? The Mercari listing is showing as “Sold” now. Did you buy it? Quote
Geraint Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 Dear Marcin. As you have 'pulled the trigger' on this one here are some thoughts. I can see why you like it, tsuba with those two shaped cut outs with carving inside are almost always attributed to Shoami and, as has been mentioned the paper is not problematic. It looks to me that someone has cleaned up what I would expect to be shakudo plugs in the ryohitsu, if that is the case then avoid handling these areas and you might find that over time they re patinate to black which would be much better. Hope it arrives soon, it's always fun waiting for and then opening such a parcel. All being well it will feel much better in hand than it looks in the photographs. Enjoy. All the best. Quote
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