someone varnished a tsuba

[lonely panet]

Hi guys,  as the above mentioned title,  i have a tosho tsuba that someone with naughty fingers varnished.  is it worth the effort to remove and what are dangers and pitfalls??

 

regards a very disappointed Hamish

[KungFooey]

Hi Hamish,

 

Maybe a nail varnish remover would take it off gently?
If I can use it without melting my hands, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't remove patina or even rust.

You need to get it off one way or another or it will promote the spread of any rust already under the varnish.

 

Good luck!!!

Dee

[Steves87]

How certain are you that it is varnish? Quite a while back there was a practice that used a linseed/terps mix... this ended up with a similar shiny look. I have found it harder to remove than varnish, to the point of having to horn scrape it off.

[Bazza]

It was very common to lacquer iron tsuba and fittings.  Decades ago I had a nice Shinshinto koshirae with all-iron fittings.  It was plain that the tsuba had been painted with 'something' as I could see the thickening here and there and whorls in the coating.  I tried various solvents, but nothing would touch it.  I even tried xylene, which is primarily used as a solvent (a liquid that can dissolve other substances) in the printing, rubber, and leather industries. Along with other solvents, xylene is also widely used as a cleaning agent, a thinner for paint, and in varnishes.

 

Of course, I later learned that lacquer was pretty much resistant to all solvents, so Hamfish do re-think this.

 

BaZZa.

 

 

[PNSSHOGUN]

2 hours ago, Bazza said:

It was very common to lacquer iron tsuba and fittings.  Decades ago I had a nice Shinshinto koshirae with all-iron fittings.  It was plain that the tsuba had been painted with 'something' as I could see the thickening here and there and whorls in the coating.  I tried various solvents, but nothing would touch it.  I even tried xylene, which is primarily used as a solvent (a liquid that can dissolve other substances) in the printing, rubber, and leather industries. Along with other solvents, xylene is also widely used as a cleaning agent, a thinner for paint, and in varnishes.

 

Of course, I later learned that lacquer was pretty much resistant to all solvents, so Hamfish do re-think this.

 

BaZZa.

 

 

 

Given the above, one may need consultation from their nearest Alchemist....!

[lonely panet]

thanks Barry,  i will hold off any plans and consault a more experanced elder.  but what you discribe is very simluar to my tsuba

[Spartancrest]

The guard looks like it has the finish that "The Backyard Blacksmith" has on his pieces https://www.jauce.co...j2hmyuc?search=tsuba  Probably uses this Tanic acid?  https://www.jauce.com/auction/u1166647207

It is not a wax covering? You could try boiling in water. 

 

 

[Steves87]

You don't have to believe me, but is more likely to be boiled linseed oil. It looks just like the finish on your Tsuba, and in the old days was done all the time, even on Tsuba. Do a google search of "boiled linseed oil on metal" plenty of results. There are even some threads on nmb which back this up... a user named Guido can confirm this... haven't seen him on here for a while though.

[lonely panet]

Thanks. But Guido has since passed.

 

Merry xmas to all.

 

[Brian]

Last I heard, he was in a non responsive state after his stroke, and there was no hope for recovery. Can you confirm that he passed? Had not heard that. Was a huge loss to the entire community.

[Bazza]

From my failing memory and long ago gun collecting days, boiled linseed oil could be used on gun stocks.  Applied by hand and lovingly rubbed into the wood and left to 'dry' between coats.  Boiled linseed oil, to some extent like lacquer, polymerises to a tough, water resistant coating.

 

If true that Guido has passed it is indeed a tragedy for his family, wider friendship groups and, of course, the Nihonto community.  I wait with bated breath for confirmation or otherwise.

 

BaZZa.

[lonely panet]

I may have spoken flippantly. I was under the impression he had passed. 

I was told Life support with signs of hope a long time ago.

 

sorry if i was incorrect and didn't double check my facts.

 

Rob h would know more

[Curran]

Guido's collection was being broken up and sold by someone in Europe.

Though Guido and I were not the closest of buds, I respected him a good deal and enjoyed some of our interactions.

 

His wry sense of humor was an important part of the boardwalk that is NMB.

His death has never been confirmed to me, but he isn't coming back to us.

I've been low level angry about it in not feeling I was ever able to adequately pay my respects to his memory.

 

Darcy and Ford have their place in the NMB pantheon, and I always felt Guido deserved his own little corner too.

That is hard to do given how he went away at a time of transition (his moving Japan to Germany) and tumult (tail end of the Pandemic), yet it was never confirmed that he was truly gone.

[Bazza]

I vividly remember seeing photos of his collection and drooling...

 

BaZZa.

[Brian]

He is/was an awesome and knowledgeable guy. Without further info, we can assume he hasn't passed. But his condition was described as one that won't change, he was in a comatose-type state and the doctors had no hope of recovery. I believe it was a decision of one of his family not to take the inevitable step. Very very sad. Those who met him and socialized with him at the DTI know that he was the life of the party, had a great sense of humour and was very highly respected.