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[Jacques D.]

Wakizashi

Nagasa = 54,5 cm

Sori = 1,3 cm 

iori mune

Jigane = very dense ko-itame with many ji nie and chikei.

Hamon = as shown on oshigata. Nioiguchi is bright, wide and clear with much ko-nie. Isolated little tama on both side.

Boshi as shown on oshigata.

 

Answer next sunday

[Nihonto student]

Spoiler

Echizen no Kami Sukenao

 

[Alex A]

Purely for fun and off top of head first thought (without seeing if i have matching image), Hizen Masahiro.

[Okan]

Kanesada maybe? (Echigo) 

[Jacques D.]

Since it's Christmas and there are some who have difficulty reading a hamon I'll help you :  Hamon is a Toran midare mixed with elements yahasu.

[David Flynn]

Sukehiro.

[Grevedk]

Wild and possibly very uneducated guess - Terukane.

 

Happy Christmas to all.

 

/Soeren

[Natichu]

Wild and definitely uneducated guess: Echizen no Sukehiro (second generation, pages 1001-1002 in Markus Sesko's "Swordsmiths of Japan"). 

 

As a complete beginner, I just wanted to say thank you to Jacques for posting these and getting the conversations going. Even though I will only rarely be participating, I will definitely be lurking and appreciate the effort that goes into these. 

[lonely panet]

echigo no kami kanesada

[Jussi Ekholm]

Without books I would not have been able to go for this guess but I would have been in the direction. Christmas hint by Jacques was also very helpful.

 

Spoiler

越後守包貞 - Echigo no Kami Kanesada

 

[Benjamin]

probably wrong but here's my try :

 

Spoiler

Echizen no kami Sukehiro for the toran midare hamon and the bright nioiguchi with a few question

- despite the lack of Osaka yakidashi, but I guess it's no mandatory?

- I'm puzzled by the boshi that should have a longer kaeri for Sukehiro

- How to make a difference with his pupil Omi non kami Sukenao? the sori? kanbun shape?

 

And thank you for the kantei Jacques. For now it's a very interesting exercise whereas I also used books to make my try.

[CSM101]

Echigo no Kami Kanesada

[Jacques D.]

i had a bike accident (a dog knocked me to the mat) i have 5 fractures including one at the head of the clavicle my right arm is immobilized so i can't use the mouse and i have to type with one hand so i'll keep a low profile.

[Matsunoki]

I am sorry to hear that Jacques and wish you a full and speedy recovery. 

[Benjamin]

I'm joining Colin to wish you a fast and full recovery.

[Natichu]

Wishing you a speedy recovery Jacques! 

[ROKUJURO]

Jacques,

all the best for the soonest healing possible! May your New Year start better than the old ended!

[Brian]

Wishing you a full and speedy recovery.
I promise, the dog wasn't sent by anyone on the forum

[george trotter]

Wow, naughty dog. I hope you make a quick and full recovery.

Regards,

George.

[PNSSHOGUN]

Get better soon, Jacques. These little Kantei exercises are very helpful. 

 

There was another member who was bitten by a dog some years ago, is there a pattern forming here.....

[Gakusee]

Get better soon. 

[reinhard]

I hope you recover soon, but how's the dog?

 

reinhard

[KungFooey]

Awful to happen at any time but especially during this season. 😥

 

Please take care and I hope you get back to your keyboard soon.
You definitely keep the board on its toes!

 

Love 

Dee

 

PS: are you sure it was a dog?

 

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[Jacques D.]

Dog is fine  

 

kantei answer : ECHIGO NO KAMI KANESADA. For those who are right, can you say which generation and why ?

[Mark S.]

Dogs and bikes don’t usually mix!  Hope the recovery is quick.  Rest up and get well soon.

[Okan]

2 hours ago, Jacques D. said:

Dog is fine  

 

kantei answer : ECHIGO NO KAMI KANESADA. For those who are right, can you say which generation and why ?

 

I can. But why?

 

Get better soon! 

[Jacques D.]

It's always interesting to know the motivation behind a choice. 

[Natichu]

20 minutes ago, Okan said:

 

I can. But why?

 

Get better soon! 

It would certainly help us beginners to be able to follow the intellectual footprints of those who got it correct! 

[Okan]

31 minutes ago, Jacques D. said:

It's always interesting to know the motivation behind a choice. 

 

2nd gen. General shape of the hamon and Toran midare (I was going back and forth between Terukane and Sukehiro) 

[Jussi Ekholm]

Get well soon Jacques!

 

I would have gone for Tsuda Sukehiro guess initially. I admit I am not at level where I could tell Ōsaka-shintō smiths apart from worksmanship, and most likely will never be as they don't intrest me that much. However as Jacques gave the extra hint I had to refresh my memory from encyclopedia to figure out what yahazu is. Seems like this detail is often seen on the 2nd generation Kanesada work, as well as his tōran hamon is slanting. Also it seems like the three gunome elements right below yokote are often seen in his work. I am often very puzzled by Japanese descriptive terminology, as katayama-midare elements in hamon are described being featured in his work. As there are many different styled mountains in the world I am trying to understand just what this "half-mountain" element means. If it is the very steep drop compared to more gradual slope? Things like bright nioiguchi, wide nioiguchi etc. I cannot really say Ōsaka-shinto smith differences from those extremely fine details.

 

I do confess I am better with the picture and text kantei than I would be in real life kantei. They are quite different even though of course some same basics apply. My eye is just not trained for extremely small details, and most likely never will be.