Bishu Osafune Sukesada 1522

[Nicholas]

Just wanted to share a recent find in Shin Gunto mounts a signed and dated Bishu Osafune Sukesada dated 1522 in exceptional condition.

[Nicholas]

[Polaria]

Exceptional find. And with a mon, too.

[Volker62]

thank you for sharing

[Volker62]

whats the swords measurements please?

[Michaelr]

 Beautiful piece, blade and mounts

  MikeR 

[lonely panet]

wow,  love that ubu nakago

[Nicholas]

  On 12/21/2024 at 8:30 PM, Volker62 said:

whats the swords measurements please?

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23.5 inch nagasa

 

[Tensho]

Was this the one on ebay? I hesitated to long on deciding whether or not to buy it now. 

[Conway S]

 

  On 12/22/2024 at 1:30 AM, Tensho said:

Was this the one on ebay? I hesitated to long on deciding whether or not to buy it now. 

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Believe so. I saw it too. 
 

Conway

[Nicholas]

  On 12/22/2024 at 1:30 AM, Tensho said:

Was this the one on ebay? I hesitated to long on deciding whether or not to buy it now. 

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  On 12/22/2024 at 2:10 AM, Conway S said:

 

Believe so. I saw it too. 
 

Conway

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Yes it was. A woman was selling it. The sword came from her husband’s grandfather who served in ww2. She claimed the sword was in climate controlled storage for 50+ years. I knew it was something interesting when it was listed and I didn’t hesitate. I like the swords that come out of peoples closets, attics and basements that have been untouched for decades.

[David Flynn]

I think this is probably a Kazu Uchi Mono, sword.

[KungFooey]

  On 12/22/2024 at 3:51 AM, David Flynn said:

I think this is probably a Kazu Uchi Mono, sword.

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Which means it was actually made for combat - not just for some high ranking fop to wear to a poetry reading.

 

Awesome - this is my dream sword!!!

 

Dee

[PNSSHOGUN]

The presence of a Nengo is a good sign, Kazuuuchimono don't tend to be dated. Many of the great Sukesada smiths were active in the early 1500's.

[Nicholas]

  On 12/22/2024 at 3:51 AM, David Flynn said:

I think this is probably a Kazu Uchi Mono, sword.

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What brings you to that conclusion?

[Volker62]

great package Nicholas!!

 

congrat's

 

as John said, the presence of a Nengo is a goos sign.

[David Flynn]

Sorry John, but I've seen quite a few Kazu Uchi Mono, with date.   Usually signed, Bizen (shu) (no) kuni Osafune Sukesada saku.

[David Flynn]

  On 12/22/2024 at 5:24 AM, Nicholas said:

What brings you to that conclusion?

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Size, Shape, signature and Hamon.

[KungFooey]

🎶 Round and round the houses we go! 🎶

 

Dee😂

[Alex A]

 

Forgot how many times ive seen in an Aoi write-up that swords made in or close to Eisho, of the style above are not of the low quality mass made "Kazu uchi mono" that are refereed to in the likes of Connoisseurs.

 

I guess its the {  } blanket statement scenario 

 

Sword above looks decent, if you see a low grade mass produced sword, you will know it. Many have passed through here over the years to look at.

 

 

[Mister Gunto]

Beautiful blade!

[KungFooey]

  On 12/22/2024 at 12:09 PM, Alex A said:

Sword above looks decent, if you see a low grade mass produced sword, you will know it. Many have passed through here over the years to look at.

 

 

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Totally agree Alex!

Below is what one of the real stinkers looks like. I don't see anything like that in the sword under discussion.

[David Flynn]

Depends on how they are cared for.  Showing one example doesn't prove anything.

[KungFooey]

  On 12/23/2024 at 12:38 AM, David Flynn said:

Depends on how they are cared for.  Showing one example doesn't prove anything.

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If something is a blatant heap of crap from word go (which is the inferred state of all Kazu Uchi Mono), then I don't think it really matters how well is cared for - do you?

 

Dee x

[lonely panet]

side squabble aside the shinogi is very tall, how the kasanes??

[Nicholas]

  On 12/22/2024 at 6:18 AM, David Flynn said:

Size, Shape, signature and Hamon.

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The sword is definitely not high quality. But it certainly isn’t the lowest of low quality. I highly doubt this is a bundle sword. There was obviously some level of care used in forging this blade. The nioguchi is consistent throughout, the hada is consistent as well. No forging flaws present on the blade.

[David Flynn]

Kazu uchi mono, like all swords, come in various shapes and  quality.   Unlike showato, these swords paper.

But hey, it's only my opinion.  Personally I don't care one way or the other.

[KungFooey]

  On 12/23/2024 at 3:17 AM, David Flynn said:

Kazu uchi mono, like all swords, come in various shapes and  quality.   Unlike showato, these swords paper.

But hey, it's only my opinion.  Personally I don't care one way or the other.

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Actually, Showato do paper.

 

[PNSSHOGUN]

Not sure if that's a fair point as papered Showato are very much an exception, not a rule. One gets the impression these are done as favours so a family can legally keep a KIA family members sword, or other circumstances not immediately apparent. Seeing these does really pull into question the Gendai Shinsa teams for NTHK & NBTHK. 

[KungFooey]

  On 12/23/2024 at 3:56 AM, PNSSHOGUN said:

Not sure if that's a fair point as papered Showato are very much an exception, not a rule. One gets the impression these are done as favours so a family can legally keep a KIA family members sword, or other circumstances not immediately apparent. Seeing these does really pull into question the Gendai Shinsa teams for NTHK & NBTHK. 

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Hi John!

There's absolutely no need for the family to get shinsa papers in order to keep grandpa's sword - all they need is the torokusho. Then everything is legal.

A hozon certificate is just icing on the cake for grandpa's family when they want to sell it along with all his medals. 😥