waki180270 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Dear Mr. Jacques D, I don't think I have the pleasure of knowing you, how can you talk about me? Do you know my background? Have you seen my work? Do you know that I just won an award at the NBTHK polishing competition this year? That I was Laurent Milhau's student? I don't think so, that said, people who know you have described you as evil, bitter and unsociable. So please take care of yourself and especially not me!!!!
Jacques Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Laurent Milhau has never had a student - there are at least a dozen people in France who can confirm this. Quote I just won an award at the NBTHK polishing competition this year? You'll show us
waki180270 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 There is Mr jacques and I was the student of Laurent Milhau. So please now never speak about me and Close your mouth.
Jacques Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 there are some things that don't fit with your diploma; and you would have been Laurent's apprentice from what date to what date?
waki180270 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 I studied with him for the last 5 years of his life. As for my diploma, what does it have to do with a certificate for a sabre???? Don't talk about what you don't know. And don't take your certainties for truths.
Hokke Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 and the plot thickens...... kidding aside, this is exactly the kind of content we as enthusiasts and collectors need. All too often these discussions happen behind closed doors and away from open ears. Legitimate business people will NEVER have an issue discussing their policies and admitting their errors. If someone's work is quality and their reputation intact, it will survive the occasional magnifying glass. On the other hand, illegitimate business people usually either crumble under the pressure and are never heard from again or they turn everything into a witch hunt and blame the system. We shall see........ 1
Jacques Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Quote "Handashi" Handashi daté de 1852 et portant une double signature de TURUYOSHI et de HIDEFUTA. Ces deux forgerons de l'école HOSOKAWA MASAYOSHI ont travaillé ensemble pour forger cette lame exceptionnelle. Le nagasa est de 74 cm et un sori de 2,5 cm. La trempe est en sugu-ha et ne présente aucun défaut de forge. Les montures sont en suite et d'origine. Un polissage et une restauration de la poignée à laquelle il manque les menuki sont à prévoir. Quote Translation "Handashi" Handashi dated 1852 and bearing a double signature of TURUYOSHI and HIDEFUTA. These two swordsmiths of the HOSOKAWA MASAYOSHI school worked together to forge this exceptional blade. The nagasa is 74 cm and the sori is 2.5 cm. The temper is sugu-ha and shows no forging defects. The mounts are en suite and original. The handle, which is missing the menuki, needs to be polished and restored. You don't know that the term handashi applies to a koshirae, not a sword, and you don't know how to read a signature . For an NBTHK-recognized expert and polisher, that's not good enough. https://www.proantic...11440-handashi.html# For your diploma, the organization's last kanji is different, the stamp doesn't match and neither does the color, and I've never seen an official NBTHK document with so many ink smudges. Quote "Wakizashi" Wakizashi with a shortened Naginata blade. Recently polished blade. It dates from the Muromachi period, circa 1550. The carved wooden handle is an interesting feature. Black lacquered scabbard covered with green mother-of-pearl flakes and inlaid with silver cherry blossoms. Scabbard in mint condition. Nagasa 38.5 cm An expert as you claim to be finds something interesting that is not at all traditional, you're a clown. https://www.proantic...11475-wakizashi.html What did Laurent die of?
Gakusee Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, Jacques D. said: You don't know that the term handashi applies to a koshirae, not a sword, and you don't know how to read a signature . For an NBTHK-recognized expert and polisher, that's not good enough. For your diploma, the organization's last kanji is different, the stamp doesn't match and neither does the color, and I've never seen an official NBTHK document with so many ink smudges. Surprising, especially when you know what Laurent died o Jacques and Patrice, For the sake of clarity to forum users, it will be useful to point out that: - the NBTHK certificate uploaded by Patrice is not a qualification diploma or certificate of graduation of a course or training; - it is not a document certifying capability, knowledge, expertise per se in absolute terms etc the way a university degree or technical college diploma might be. No training course and no exams have been taken for these to be conferred (so Jacques, please be careful not to conflate these in your typical attacking mode); - it is a certificate acknowledging that Patrice submitted to the annual NBTHK competition a sword he polished and achieved the rank “nyusen”, the precise interpretation / translation which I am not capable of, but loosely it means something like “his work has been deemed competent enough to be accepted and recognised in this endeavour / exhibition”. I know several European non-traditionally-Japan-trained restorers (in the U.K., Italy etc), who while not formally having completed a full-length Japan-based polishing training period (and thus not having the government diploma of togishi recognition which comes at the end of that training period after passing an official exam) still achieved that “nyusen” recognition. In fact, my Italian friend Massimo has several of these diplomas, which I have seen at his home. These certificates clearly indicate a level of capability and skill recognised to some extent by the NBTHK, and deserve the credit / merit they imply. The “fully traditionally trained”(often Japan-based, but not exclusively) polishers often display skill higher than nyusen, and achieve even higher-rating diplomas and awards. All of that is very public and disclosed in Japanese by both the NBTHK and NBSK (which also organises similar) every year after the awards are granted. But people need to be very clear about what these certificates and achievements are and what these are not. So, I am not defending anyone in the above discussion of what should have been done/said in relation to Catawiki, or taking sides in this debate, but just hoping the above clarifies the matter a bit with regard to such certificates. 8 1
waki180270 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Dear Mr Jacques, stop trying to put me down, you're only making a fool of yourself. As proof, since you force me to give you more. Here are photos of the book issued by the NBTHK for the year 2024, showing all the winners in the various disciplines, polishing, forging, shirasaya, etc... as you can see. It has my name written all over it. Obviously it's not a diploma, just recognition of my work. And I think that's more than enough to be able to claim to polish Japanese sabres. This is the first time I've taken part in this competition, and I'll try to take part again as soon as I have a sufficiently interesting blade to present. So all your comments are welcome. Once again I say, look after yourself and stop trying so hard to harm others. Your stupidity is matched only by your mediocrity.
Jacques Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Traditionnaly trained ? https://www.sudouest...-france-21459120.php
waki180270 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Yes, but adapted to my body shape, not on the floor like some Japanese polishers. But the result is there and that's the main thing. Anyway, you're so negative that I'm not interested in you or your comments.
Jacques Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 You're lying because in this video you claim to have graduated in Japan, which is false. ps you don't know me but i know you. Thanks Michael for clarification.
waki180270 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Of course I know you, Mr Descombes, from your bad reputation in the sabre world among serious collectors. You are capable of teaching Tanobe sensei to tell the difference between a Katana and a Tanto. In short, I won't go any further in the discussion with someone like you who is so slanderous, and who has absolutely nothing to contribute. More than anything, I don't see what you're trying to achieve by trying to destroy reputations or by knocking people down. Yes, it's not a diploma but it's already a recognition from the NBTHK and it's very gratifying and gives recognition as a polisher and that's more than enough for me and my customers. So stop talking about me and look after yourselves. 4
Jacques Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 You are wrong about my name and it's dishonest to post a name without the owner's consent, which just goes to show what kind of person you are. Having said that, the fact that you have obtained a nyusen does not make you the expert that you proclaim to be and there I take you every morning. By the way, I'm going to ask you a question: what is the characteristic that must be found in the hamon of the nidai Izumi no kami fujiwara Kunisada?
Brian Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 No, this is not some test that needs to be passed. Everything that needed to be said was said. People can make up their own minds now. 3 Pages of this is enough. 3 7 4
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