Another eBay find

[Cookie4Monstah]

Hello,

 

I'd like to get your input on this one:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/387655507054?_skw=Japanese+sword&itmmeta=01JED0EYS5EGAFQAXGH3FF6RVM&hash=item5a42119c6e%3Ag%3A-WMAAOSwISpmx5D8&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA0HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKmUE%2BTToZLR%2FeLRD5u%2FA0l0V7MzzBsKanbMJM7BMkUBLQsxt3N13R7WtoskM3pNUYXNFSbX00mt9aMBbxGogNeEVIdFvVuKjM5dnpiuN3KPob7Kzl2wtLt9PIpXwLFX9YAuMbbfMKnhD4HQ1vq7LDapR7fq%2FjR00S5QWh%2Brna484Oxdow6c0CfTSfMjbU0rfa0pynNRV0hepWEXT5Z8P9r0RZaisVDwlt8gQLuaP5XeJcolBcH9sw6%2F8WYScwUcuow%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9jsu6DzZA&LH_Auction=1&LH_ItemCondition=4

 

Thanks,

Khalid

[PNSSHOGUN]

Suishinshi Masahide, rather doubtful.

[Mark S.]

Condition leaves A LOT to be desired.  Wouldn’t give this one a second glance.  

[ROKUJURO]

Yes, a "SUISHINSHI MASAHIDE" for $ 400.-- in bad condition, with a cast TSUBA, presented with bad photos. What do you expect from this one, what are you looking for?

[John C]

17 hours ago, PNSSHOGUN said:

rather doubtful.

Would the hotstamp be worth forging? 

 

John C.

[Bruce Pennington]

I try to give blades the benefit of the doubt, but after comparing kokuin and kakihan, I don't think this one was made by the smith, and is likely gimei.

 

Kokuin - There are relative dimensional issues; all the originals on the left are more rectangular with rounded corners.  The questionable one on right is oval

 

Kakihan

 

The 3 on the left are original, the one in question is 4, and an obvous fake is far right.  The one in question has 2 vertical strokes in the top bulb of the "B" that shouldn't be there, and the big vertical stroke on the left side isn't deep enough, doesn't fish-hook back up enough, and starts too high above the "B" compared to all the rest.

 

I can't address the mei, but there are enough examples here, is someone wants to compare.

[Cookie4Monstah]

Hi Bruce,

 

Let's suppose this is a mediocre quality gemei for now. Did smiths really take the time to replicate even kokuin and kakihan as well? I feel like if a smith is that talented they wouldn't make a forgery. But I guess they had bills to pay then too.

[lonely panet]

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[Bruce Pennington]

11 hours ago, Cookie4Monstah said:

Did smiths really take the time to replicate even kokuin and kakihan as well? I feel like if a smith is that talented they wouldn't make a forgery. But I guess they had bills to pay then too.

Yeah, I don't know.  That's why I leave it open that an apprentice made it?  But if an apprentice, wouldn't they use the master's stamp?  Not enough is known.

[Jacques D.]

In fact, the question doesn't even arise.