Jesta Posted November 19 Report Posted November 19 I picked this one up on a whim, mostly because I liked the unusual shape, and the the autumn theme. Can anyone shed any light on the school or origins of this type of design? I can’t seem to find many that have this symmetrical ryo mokko gata design. 6 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted November 19 Report Posted November 19 Justyn, many later TSUBA cannot be related to a specific school, as designs and techniques spread around and were widely copied. This one looks like a very late but very good TSUBA with autumn theme, probably the shape is also called MOMO GATA. 4 Quote
Steves87 Posted November 19 Report Posted November 19 Also nown as futatsu-mokko-gata. Very nice guard by the way, congratulations! 3 Quote
Spartancrest Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 A paperweight a little like some of the features with Ajiro [mat background] but not the same shape. https://world.seiyud...m/product/tu-120515/ shape? As Steve has pointed out futatsu-mokko-gata could be the shape it is usually associated with Musashi Namako tsuba but they are sukashi not solid plate One reference calls the shape "Kaigu Tsuba" https://ho-sui.com/en/products/鍔-つば-武蔵 that site sells replica tsuba so I doubt the name is accurate. 1 Quote
Jesta Posted November 20 Author Report Posted November 20 15 minutes ago, Spartancrest said: As Steve has pointed out futatsu-mokko-gata could be the shape it is usually associated with Musashi Namako tsuba but they are sukashi not solid plate One reference calls the shape "Kaigu Tsuba" https://ho-sui.com/en/products/鍔-つば-武蔵 that site sells replica tsuba so I doubt the name is accurate. Thanks, you are always a reliable source of knowledge and references. The only ones I have been able to find with the top and bottom indents are the sukashi type, until your tanto tsuba. 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 An incidental outline shape from the Klefischauktionen collection. No information on it unfortunately. The shape seems very rare, I have looked through 3,000 tsuba images and only found two, other than yours! [So far ] This one may well be the ura of the other? 3 2 Quote
Jesta Posted November 20 Author Report Posted November 20 Thanks for looking so hard. I couldn’t find any. Those are beautiful. Quote
Spartancrest Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 (edited) Starting to find others - this one tilted over 90 degrees, does that count? https://www.jauce.com/auction/p1118290518 Smooth sided Myoga https://www.honto-nihonto.com/en/sue-tegai . While there are many Myoga tsuba like this design, they are more Kawari-gata because of the indents for the sides of the flowers/leaves (?) so I don't think they would count. Edited November 20 by Spartancrest More images 2 1 Quote
Steves87 Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 Futatsu means two (like, two lobes), in what context im not entirely sure though... and admittedly, i got it from Sesko's sword encyclopaedia in the mokko section. 4 Quote
Jesta Posted November 20 Author Report Posted November 20 30 minutes ago, Spartancrest said: Starting to find others - this one tilted over 90 degrees, does that count? https://www.jauce.com/auction/p1118290518 Smooth sided Myoga https://www.honto-nihonto.com/en/sue-tegai . While there are many Myoga tsuba like this design, they are more Kawari-gata because of the indents for the sides of the flowers/leaves (?) so I don't think they would count. 90 degrees is interesting, and I would say that it counts for this taxonomy… Twin lobes, mirrored. The Myoga tsuba is really nice. I remain in awe of your sleuthing abilities… Quote
Spartancrest Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 (edited) I have sixteen images of double "Sho" woodwind instrument like a Pan pipe but I am not sure they qualify because the top and bottom indents are not the same? These are from my utsushi records - no big surprise just how many of the same designs get produced, yet each is an individual not a cast copy. I may as well throw in a Shingen from the Warsaw museum as well Make that 17 "Sho" Edited November 20 by Spartancrest More images 3 1 Quote
sabiji Posted November 20 Report Posted November 20 I had a sukashi kanayama with constrictions at 3 and 9 o'clock, not at 12 and 6 o'clock as is so often the case here. Officially, the papers said Ryo-Mokko-Gata, but an expert told me that at least my tsuba was based on the shape of the Kemari ball. That seemed very plausible in my case. Quote
Spartancrest Posted November 21 Report Posted November 21 I found a "Do it yourself Futatsu" just a little work with a hammer! NAH! I don't think so. 4 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted November 21 Report Posted November 21 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/296351643175 Is it just me or does this look like Grover kissing a mirror or two Proboscis monkeys ? 3 Quote
Jesta Posted November 21 Author Report Posted November 21 Off topic, but I went to East Malaysia to photograph and write about proboscis monkeys… 1 2 Quote
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