Naginata naoshi wakizashi identification

[Yamazakura Fr]

Hello

I have this new wakizashi with signature to identificate

This is naoshi naginata (no yokote , unokobi zukuri, iori mune)

total length 46,6 cm

nagasa 36,2 cm

Can anyone translate the signature (I think the thirth kanji for ju and the last hiro?)

Regards

Bernard

[Shugyosha]

Hi Bernard,

Perhaps 相州住冬廣- Soshu ju Fuyuhiro. I'm not convinced about the "Fuyu" kanji though, so that's a bit of a a guess and hopefully someone else can either confirm or suggest a better match.

[Franco D]

10 hours ago, Yamazakura Fr said:

This is naoshi naginata

 

I see no evidence that this is anything more than a shobu zukuri wakizashi. 

[Toryu2020]

If naginata-naoshi then all or part of the signature would be gone. This is ubu and I agree Soshu ju Fuyuhiro.

 

[Yamazakura Fr]

Thank you for your information

Sory for the naginata naoshi but I was misled by the shape of the unokobi zukuri blade that we find on the naginata but it is indeed a wakizashi ubu

Does anyone have any information about the blacksmith Soshu Fuyuhiro koto because the only information I have concerns Fuyuhiro Jakushu (wakasa)

we found Soshu Fuyuhiro in the Zuikan Tomei Soran with TS332 reference but I have not this

Best regards

 

Bernard

 

 

 

[Shugyosha]

The Shoshin website suggests that the first Wakasa Fuyuhiro was the son of the second generation Soshu Hirotsugu and moved from Sagami to Wakasa but I don't know any more:

https://www.sho-shin.com/soshu.html

https://www.sho-shin.com/hoku.htm

 

[Jacques D.]

I don't think it's Wakasa Fuyuhiro (both shodai and nidai). 

[Rivkin]

Plus: the signature is ok written per 16th century standards. Its roughly in the right place, with roughly the right strokes pressure for Sagami school. Its quite a bit rougher though than the better Soshu smiths of the period.

Minus: most likely unrecorded person. But then "hiro" kanji is Soshu kanji and its not at all impossible there was one within the school.

Minus: Just like with Bizen, with Sagami you do have fakes of things which raise eyebrows why on earth one would fake that. It is a very popular school even for non-great objects.

 

Its basically for you to decide. As is it is unlikely to paper - what if the work is just completely different and therefore the papers will look stupid after its polished.

If you polish and its hitatsura than there is a good chance it will be accepted as unrecorded smith. 

Say it comes out as a lesser work in suguha, then its again a lottery - Odawara Soshu in particular produced suguha during its earliest (1470) and latest (1570) periods, but its more difficult to accept a combination of unknown signature and weird work.

 

So I think its up to you. Roughly 50/50 chance its real.

[Jacques D.]

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with roughly the right strokes pressure for Sagami school.

Explanations please

[dkirkpatrick]

Additional if unrelated question; what would the value even be if polished to a reasonable hitasura with saya and hozon to unknown Soshu smith?  I can’t imagine it’d be a lot more than the cost of all of that, fair argument that there is value in a nihonto saved notwithstanding.