Missing sword in the sale or trade

[Pierre F]

Greetings all,

I would like to ask a question about an ad I saw on the forum in the Sale/Trade section months ago and which has disappeared..

 

It was a very large 84 cm Mumei sword (odachi).

 

An NTBHK hozon token certificate.

 

A very nice jigane (according to the photos and my neophyte eye)

 

Seemed to date from 1600-1700 (Edo)

 

I putt this page in my bookmark several month ago... but now I cant find it anymore ... even when I search it.

If by the greatest chance you have the slightest lead or clue...

[Grevedk]

Evening Pierre,

 

I believe it was @JakeNYC who had it on sale. 

 

Best regards

 

Soren

[Lewis B]

Yes I think I found it. Sold a couple of months ago

 

https://www.instagra...SkjuVPB/?img_index=1

[Pierre F]

Thank you so mutch Soren .... I'm pretty sure you are right ... now I remember the name

 

Why a sword could be delete from the sale section ?

 

 

[Pierre F]

Thank you Lewis...

 

I'm happy that this sword found a owner ... and to see it again on pictures.

 

I remembered that I found it beautiful... This is still the case.

[Lewis B]

For such a large Koto blade, and supposedly flawless, I find it a little odd to only have Hozon. I've seen far worse looking TH blades from that era. On closer inspection the nakago shinogi looks weirdly irregular, something I've not seen before? What could cause that? Hamfisted swordsmith who performed the suriage, fire damage or..?

[Pierre F]

Obviously don't have your sharp eye Lewis. But I asked myself the same question about the Hozon.

[Jussi Ekholm]

Jake has had multiple very nice swords for sale.

 

In the view of NBTHK as they judge it as mumei Fuyuhiro then Hozon is as far as it will advance in their ranking. The item looked nice as far as I remember it.

[Lewis B]

39 minutes ago, Jussi Ekholm said:

Jake has had multiple very nice swords for sale.

 

In the view of NBTHK as they judge it as mumei Fuyuhiro then Hozon is as far as it will advance in their ranking. The item looked nice as far as I remember it.

I found one but this has Mei so I guess that makes all the difference? Since there were 17 generations does the Mei narrow it down and this in essence, promotes the blade to TH?

 

https://sword-auction.com/en/product/13200/as22272-脇差：冬廣作（特別保存刀剣）/

[Jussi Ekholm]

NBTHK has certain standards that they have. Of course with 75,000+ Tokubetsu Hozon swords there might be some that are outliers.

 

In general if you have a mumei sword with Tokubetsu Hozon it would be early Muromachi at latest. Fuyuhiro being mostly late Muromachi period school in general attributions, then the mumei items with that attribution will mostly stop at Hozon. There are 10 Jūyō swords by Fuyuhiro but they are all signed.

[JakeNYC]

Thanks for the kind words Jussi! Yes that piece sold at the San Francisco sword show.  I'm surprised it stayed available for as long as it did. Marcus Sesko examined it at our NYC Token Kai club meeting and believed it was KOTO.

At any rate- thanks for the interest and yes it is sold.

[Pierre F]

Thank you for your answer.

On 10/8/2024 at 5:06 PM, Jussi Ekholm said:

There are 10 Jūyō swords by Fuyuhiro but they are all signed.

This is ...let say "strange" to me that signature can be propelling an object has a completely different value.... Would this not be, in a way, an admission that the attributions are only of relative reliability ?

 

Jake, I'm glad this sword found a happy "family"... I found it very nice on pictures .

 

Jake, I'm glad this sword found a happy "family". I was wondering, but this is probably a misplaced question... Why can't I find this ad on the forum anymore ?

 

Following Jussi advices I will keep an eye on your IG.

 

 

[Brian]

Sold swords are deleted from the For Sale section. Some are moved to the archive, some just removed.

[Pierre F]

Ok thanks for your reply Brian.

 

That's why I saw some sold swords on the Sale section and some times not.