Geneck Posted December 28, 2006 Report Posted December 28, 2006 Could u tell me if its copy of sword ? Quote
Guest Simon Rowson Posted December 28, 2006 Report Posted December 28, 2006 It's hard to tell from one (not very close) photo but it seems to me to be a real kai-gunto (naval sword) rather than a shin-gunto (army sword) that has lost it's tsuka ito and menuki. This does happen to old WII swords sometimes but, as to whether it's machine made or not, you'd need to see the nakago (tang). Regards, Simon Quote
Guest Simon Rowson Posted December 28, 2006 Report Posted December 28, 2006 Actually, scrub that last comment.....I was being an idiot! The tsuba and other mounts are all shin-gunto as you rightly said but it's very unusual to get what appears to be a black (laquered?) saya with two supension mounts. The early type shin-gunto had two such mounts and were usually of a superior quality to later gunto but so do many of the Chinese junk repros you see flooding eBay nowadays so be very careful! Regards, Simon Quote
Geneck Posted December 28, 2006 Author Report Posted December 28, 2006 I've added kissaki pic maybe it wil help :D Actually, scrub that last comment.....I was being an idiot! The tsuba and other mounts are all shin-gunto as you rightly said but it's very unusual to get what appears to be a black (laquered?) saya with two supension mounts. The early type shin-gunto had two such mounts and were usually of a superior quality to later gunto but so do many of the Chinese junk repros you see flooding eBay nowadays so be very careful! Regards, Simon Quote
Stephen Posted December 28, 2006 Report Posted December 28, 2006 grain pattern above the shinogi due to burnishing which makes me think repo also the lack of polish on kissaki, show the nakago and well go from there. Quote
John A Stuart Posted December 28, 2006 Report Posted December 28, 2006 I don't know guys. This one has me curious. The saya is the navy 95 I think. The blade may have been acid etched but seems a legitimate sword. Do I not see a hamon?I wouldn't condemn this one yet. Maybe the yokote is malformed by camera angle. More pics please. John Quote
Geneck Posted December 28, 2006 Author Report Posted December 28, 2006 I will add asap new pics I don't know guys. This one has me curious. The saya is the navy 95 I think. The blade may have been acid etched but seems a legitimate sword. Do I not see a hamon?I wouldn't condemn this one yet. Maybe the yokote is malformed by camera angle. More pics please. John Quote
Stephen Posted December 28, 2006 Report Posted December 28, 2006 I have not counted it out yet, close ups of the fitting would help also...copys are getting so close now days it takes a very close eye. The Nakago will tell all. Quote
Geneck Posted December 28, 2006 Author Report Posted December 28, 2006 as U wish one side and the other I have not counted it out yet, close ups of the fitting would help also...copys are getting so close now days it takes a very close eye. The Nakago will tell all. Quote
John A Stuart Posted December 28, 2006 Report Posted December 28, 2006 I had some hope that it was a legitimate sword that someone had mucked with but the nakago tells the story and it is that this is a Chinese replica. Those fittings that I can see sure would be hard to tell via the internet, don't you think? John Quote
Stephen Posted December 28, 2006 Report Posted December 28, 2006 would be hard to tell from the pix but at that angle it looks ok, i have to go with the repo ...sorry Quote
pcfarrar Posted December 28, 2006 Report Posted December 28, 2006 Can we have a few more close up shots of the fittings please. Quote
Geneck Posted December 29, 2006 Author Report Posted December 29, 2006 All have the same number Can we have a few more close up shots of the fittings please. Quote
Stephen Posted December 29, 2006 Report Posted December 29, 2006 why your pix are nice and clear on the others and this one has a hazy tone to it. im going to say with clever copy. Quote
Guest Simon Rowson Posted December 29, 2006 Report Posted December 29, 2006 Now I've seen a picture of the fittings, I'm absolutely sure that it's a Chinese repro. I've seen one of these things up close and the tsuba is identical. Another giveaway is the seppa with the square hole for the saya retaining clip that goes right through to the nakago ana. I've never seen this feature on an original but many times on Chinese fakes. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Simon Quote
Geneck Posted December 29, 2006 Author Report Posted December 29, 2006 Sorry i try to add better one right now just one of tsuba why your pix are nice and clear on the others and this one has a hazy tone to it. im going to say with clever copy. Quote
Guest Simon Rowson Posted December 29, 2006 Report Posted December 29, 2006 I'm really sorry Geneck but your latest photo just confirms what I said in my last posting. I've handled and examined hundreds of genuine shin-gunto in 25 years of collecting and I'm afraid that this is definitely one of the modern Chinese replicas. If it's any consolation, I've also made a great many mistakes myself in those same 25 years of collecting! Regards, Simon Quote
Geneck Posted December 29, 2006 Author Report Posted December 29, 2006 Thx very much for your help I'm really sorry Geneck but your latest photo just confirms what I said in my last posting. I've handled and examined hundreds of genuine shin-gunto in 25 years of collecting and I'm afraid that this is definitely one of the modern Chinese replicas. If it's any consolation, I've also made a great many mistakes myself in those same 25 years of collecting! Regards, Simon Quote
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