Information on kabuto

[jason c]

I was looking if somebody could help provide some more information about this kabuto helmet i bought a couple of weeks back the seller said its from the edo period. The half moon piece in the center is a replacement piece that came with it.

If anyone could provide information about the kamon that would be great too.

[moriarty]

The Dragon Kamon should be:

 

日蓮宗龍の丸--Nichiren-ryu no Maru

[Bugyotsuji]

Jason, these were (and still are) created mainly for their decorative value and historical connotations. Many people enjoy them like that.

Even if it were from the Edo period, it would still be a reproduction of a much earlier type of armor which died out long before the Edo period.

[jason c]

  On 8/26/2024 at 10:35 AM, Bugyotsuji said:

Jason, these were (and still are) created mainly for their decorative value and historical connotations. Many people enjoy them like that.

Even if it were from the Edo period, it would still be a reproduction of a much earlier type of armor which died out long before the Edo period.

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Thank you for your reply,

Would you know what era it is a reproduction from, and aslo do you know what the value would be seeing as it was still possibly made in the edo period.

Thank you.

[jason c]

  On 8/26/2024 at 10:33 AM, moriarty said:

The Dragon Kamon should be:

 

日蓮宗龍の丸--Nichiren-ryu no Maru

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Thank you, I have still had trouble finding out much information about this family crest so if you possibly have any information on the kamon then that would be very helpful aswell.

Thank you.

[Bugyotsuji]

  On 8/26/2024 at 10:59 AM, jason c said:

Thank you for your reply,

Would you know what era it is a reproduction from, and aslo do you know what the value would be seeing as it was still possibly made in the edo period.

Thank you.

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No, I do not know when it was made, Jason, nor what the value might be. Whatever someone would pay for it...(?)

My personal feeling from little signs here and there is that it was made sometime during the 1900s, but I have no proof. I am sure others will add their opinions later today, both subtle and unsubtle, and they may well say that I am wrong. This is why I did not really want to say much more. 

[jason c]

  On 8/26/2024 at 11:12 AM, Bugyotsuji said:

No, I do not know when it was made, Jason, nor what the value might be. Whatever someone would pay for it...(?)

My personal feeling from little signs here and there is that it was made sometime during the 1900s, but I have no proof. I am sure others will add ther opinions later today, and they may well say that I am wrong. This is why I did not really want to say much more. 

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Thank you for your opinion, im sure i will get a lot more information on this as time goes on.

[YOJIMBO]

NOT EDO, 1000000000000000000 %

[YOJIMBO]

  On 8/26/2024 at 11:19 AM, jason c said:

Děkuji za váš názor, postupem času se o tom dozvím mnohem více informací.

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There is nothing more to learn. It's fun for 200-300 usd, no point in continuing to deal with it

[Bugyotsuji]

"NE EDO, 1000000000000000000 %"

Simon, does "NE EDO" above mean "not Edo"?

(Just asking for a friend.)

[jason c]

  On 8/26/2024 at 11:44 AM, YOJIMBO said:

There is nothing more to learn. It's fun for 200-300 usd, no point in continuing to deal with it

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Ok thank you, just for the future what signs are there that it is a genuine kabuto or not.

[uwe]

Hi Jason,

 

I’m afraid I’ve to agree with most of the above said. What I think, based on the few pics you provided, that it is a 20th century  copy (at best). Furthermore I assume the “decoration” at the fukigaeshi (the coiled dragon) is not a mon, but merely an adornment….sry!

[Lewis B]

Can you confirm if this is a mold line. If yes and you can see others then I don't think its a traditionally made Menpo. 

 

[jason c]

  On 8/26/2024 at 5:43 PM, Lewis B said:

Can you confirm if this is a mold line. If yes and you can see others then I don't think its a traditionally made Menpo. 

 

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Im not too sure if this is a mold line on the helmet, If it is then it was well covered up on the inside and out

The bottom picture is a rivet that is in the mask, I dont know if this can provide any more information on how they built it.

I bought the kabuto whith not too much knowledge on the subject but i still think that it is a great decorative piece.

[uwe]

I can’t make it out…🤔
Please show a picture of the hooks (orekugi) on the cheeks!

BTW, the nosepiece (hana) looks different than the mask itself💡

 

Just saw your new pictures….replica, IMHO!

[jason c]

  On 8/26/2024 at 7:06 PM, uwe said:

I can’t make it out…🤔
Please show a picture of the hooks (orekugi) on the cheeks!

BTW, the nosepiece (hana) looks different than the mask itself💡

 

Just saw your new pictures….replica, IMHO!

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Ok thank you, here is a picture of the hooks aswell.

[uwe]

Bearly visible 😏

[Iekatsu]

The whole thing is modern sorry, nothing there is Edo period.

[Luc T]

A typical modern replica indeed, in a bad state of preservation 

[jason c]

  On 8/28/2024 at 5:39 AM, Luc T said:

A typical modern replica indeed, in a bad state of preservation 

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Thank you for your reply.

Just how modern do you think it is, as in is it early or late 20th century, or this century.

If it is a replica it is a very high quality one with all the designs hand painted and a lot of other intricate details.

Here is another kabuto very similar to this and comes with a yoroi (armour). So would that one be a replica too?

[YOJIMBO]

  On 8/28/2024 at 7:03 AM, jason c said:

děkuji za odpověď.

Jak si myslíte, že je moderní, jak je to na začátku nebo na konci 20. století nebo v tomto století.

Pokud se jedná o repliku, jedná se o velmi kvalitní se všemi ručně malovanými vzory a spoustou dalších složitých detailů.

Zde je další kabuto velmi podobné tomuto a přichází s yoroi (brnění). Takže by to byla také replika?

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Yes, same sh...t

[Luc T]

Jason, this is made somewhere around the last quarter of the 20th century 

[Lewis B]

  On 8/28/2024 at 5:39 AM, Luc T said:

A typical modern replica indeed, in a bad state of preservation 

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That was probably by design in attempt to deceive.