GreyVR Posted August 15 Report Posted August 15 Hello all, I'm curious about why it seems that some tsuba I've run across on the internet seem to have art that would almost certainly be covered by seppa. Were these intended for display only, and not use? If this has been asked before, I apologize, as I'm unsure how to search for the question. 3 Quote
Brian Posted August 15 Report Posted August 15 The overlap is usually sunk below the level of the seppadai, so it can be mounted later ones with raised motiffs were not mean for mounting, but I suspect most of these were still made to be mounted, but the later they got, the more they were more art than function. 2 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted August 15 Report Posted August 15 The second TSUBA will be perfectly fine with SEPPA. 2 1 Quote
1kinko Posted August 15 Report Posted August 15 The seppa can also be carved out so as not to damage raised sections of tsuba. 1 Quote
GreyVR Posted August 16 Author Report Posted August 16 6 hours ago, Brian said: The overlap is usually sunk below the level of the seppadai, so it can be mounted later ones with raised motiffs were not mean for mounting, but I suspect most of these were still made to be mounted, but the later they got, the more they were more art than function. Here's the flip side of the one above with the dragon. As someone who studied art a bit, it seems like the artist would want to consider the 'canvas' to mostly be the space that won't be covered. Seppa are a required bit of equipment, or so I understand, and thus it's a artistic choice that perplexes me. Granted menuki are often magnificent and often almost completely covered.... but even so. Quote
DoTanuki yokai Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 Don’t mess with the template and avoid inlays that are higher then the ground on the seppadai and you are fine I think. If some of your work is later cut out or hidden by the seppa doesn’t matter I think. Just my 2 cents. Edit: look at what the Nishigaki school did 3 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 This is a little off subject - but why tamper with existing "Art"? Lowering the background then rough punch marks [You might have thought they were drill marks] - Why do this? Looks like they didn't like the results and gave up - - too late! ? 1 Quote
Jesta Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 I think that this might have similarities to ancient Greek and Roman sculptors who carved pieces fully in the round, even though the back would never be seen. It is to make the piece finished, and because the artist would know, even if the average viewer would not. The flowing lines flow under the seppa and out again, making it seem like the seppa is part of the art… My best intuition is that it is an artistic choice, a way of playing with the form, and being complete. 3 Quote
GreyVR Posted August 18 Author Report Posted August 18 11 hours ago, Okan said: How about one with a built in seppa Now I'm going to have to find an artist and commission one like that but with a cat.... O maybe two cats, on on each side.... On 8/15/2024 at 3:34 PM, ROKUJURO said: The second TSUBA will be perfectly fine with SEPPA. Do you really think so? Seems like it would be so very close if not on the face of the carp. But I fully grant I'm a beginner.... 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted August 18 Report Posted August 18 1 hour ago, GreyVR said: O maybe two cats, on on each side.... plenty of cats here: 1 Quote
DirkO Posted August 18 Report Posted August 18 If you have a tsuba with a decorated seppa dai that will prohibit the correct mounting of seppa, be very wary. Function before form. Correct decoration will always be in recess or flush with the seppa dai. Exceptions exist, but are usually purely decorative items. 1 Quote
GreyVR Posted August 18 Author Report Posted August 18 12 hours ago, DirkO said: If you have a tsuba with a decorated seppa dai that will prohibit the correct mounting of seppa, be very wary. Function before form. Correct decoration will always be in recess or flush with the seppa dai. Exceptions exist, but are usually purely decorative items. How much can be cut out of a seppa before the whole loses out? I actually bought that rain dragon one above because it enchanted me so, and I have seen seppa with a little bit cut out for the kogatana... 15 hours ago, Spartancrest said: plenty of cats here: (forgive me not putting a lot of time into the shop for this image... But what about.... 1 2 Quote
Spartancrest Posted August 22 Report Posted August 22 Where would the horses head be when this was mounted? Half the mane would be covered by a seppa. https://www.jauce.com/auction/n1149520508 Some evidence it was mounted on the ura side. 2 Quote
GreyVR Posted August 25 Author Report Posted August 25 Seems like a good question to me. If it was my art it would bother me for the horse's head to be covered. Quote
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