Dan tsuba Posted August 10 Report Posted August 10 Hello everyone, The following is all just my own opinion, but I just needed to express what I feel- A new guy (newbie) comes on the forum and shows a tsuba he has purchased and asks for opinions on what he bought. He is seeking information. Remember that he doesn’t have 100 reference books on tsuba in his library as I am sure that many of you do! He has probably heard that this is the best forum in the world to seek assistance from. Now usually what does he get in return for “dipping his toe” into the waters of the unknown (to him) world of tsuba on this forum? I have seen it (more than once) where he will get his leg bitten off by the sharks! He will be told by many that his tsuba is inferior, not worth collecting, has no value, is just junk and just should be used as a paperweight, and other such words. Now remember, guys, that not everyone is in the hobby of collecting tsuba to re-sell them or make a profit. Not many can collect museum quality pieces! I would figure that many newbie collectors just want an actual real Edo period (or before) tsuba that they can call their own and appreciate. These newbies may possibly not spend the next 10, 20, 30, or 40 years collecting tsuba like many of you have. No one was born on this earth fully grown. We all had learned to crawl before we could learn how to walk. I believe the same thing applies to any learning situation (even collecting tsuba!). When the newbies ask a simple question on the forum they are not expecting to be thrown to the wolves! Although there are those on this forum (not that many!) that are actually kind to the newbies and will answer their questions without attacking their choice of tsuba or their purchase. I am saying this because (as far as I believe) if this kind of thing on newbies keeps occurring (I have also seen it done to members other than newbies!), then no one will want to join or stay on this great forum. Perhaps there can be a special area on the forum for newbies to ask their questions? Maybe a couple of advanced in rank members could be assigned to answer the newbie members questions. Then when the newbie has himself advanced in rank or something, he would be allowed on the regular forum. Hey, just a thought! I also know that by posting this, I am throwing myself to the wolves! So, bring it on if you feel so inclined! I will take the wolves responses one at a time (or maybe not respond at all, it depends on how many wolves there are in the pack!). Onward my friends! 1 4 1 4
Dan tsuba Posted August 10 Author Report Posted August 10 Wow Alex A, I guess you told me! Do you feel better now? So you just labeled yourself a wolf, well that will let others know!
Alex A Posted August 10 Report Posted August 10 Grow up child. Folks come here for honest educated opinions. For that reason you will be ignored. No place here for nonsense, we try to aim for facts, All free, Modern wxxxx alert 1 1
Dan tsuba Posted August 10 Author Report Posted August 10 Alex A., Interesting how you are squirming! Oh well, next wolf!
Shugyosha Posted August 10 Report Posted August 10 Dan, This is a pretty benign forum. The newbies asking questions about their tsuba generally haven’t bought good ones so, if there are sharks, what they have is generally not what they’re looking for. Alex is a good guy and certainly not in that category. I know we’re on the internet but please, don’t say stuff that we’d never say to one another face to face. 1
Alex A Posted August 10 Report Posted August 10 Lol,squirming ( funny cant even spell it) Seriously Dan and wih respect , call it a day. This aint the place for theatrical attention. 1
Okan Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 12 minutes ago, Dan tsuba said: Oh well, next wolf! https://psychcentral...tention-seeking-kids 1 2 1
Alex A Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 11 minutes ago, Alex A said: You can find “somewhere down the crazy river” 1
Dan tsuba Posted August 11 Author Report Posted August 11 Shugyosha, I qoute- "Alex is a good guy and certainly not in that category. I know we’re on the internet but please, don’t say stuff that we’d never say to one another face to face. Give me a break! Did you read his post where he stated- "Pussy Accept truth or f off" I guess you just happened to overlook that! Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me (unless I want them to!). That goes for the response from you, Alex A., and Okan. You guys are not worth my education or time! And you guys are the perfect example of what I stated in my original post to this thread. 2 1 1 3
Alex A Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 Dan, used think you were ok but now sadly think you are bringing nonsense into antique collecting Il be honest, think your a £££££ sXxcccx No excuse for buying shite, we aim to arm folks with knowledge, obviously your dim as xxxx 1
Dan tsuba Posted August 11 Author Report Posted August 11 Whatever my friend! As Shugyosha stated- "Alex is a good guy and certainly not in that category. I know we’re on the internet but please, don’t say stuff that we’d never say to one another face to face." He evidenlty didtn't read your post where you stated- "Pussy Accept truth or f off" If you had stated that to my face you would be flat on your back! No brag my friend, just fact! This forum is becoming a joke (my opinion)! 2
Alex A Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 Dan, i can tell from your replies you talk nonsense Thought you were better than that cmon 1 1
Dan tsuba Posted August 11 Author Report Posted August 11 Alex A. Oh reallly! Let's not forget what you told me- "Pussy Accept truth or f off" What are you, the hero now! Whatever I am, I am alot better than you! 1 1
Mark S. Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 5 hours ago, Dan tsuba said: Although there are those on this forum (not that many!) that are actually kind to the newbies I have to disagree with this statement, and I have found quite the exact opposite. I would say most are kind, friendly, and patient. This is a great place with great people. Once in a while there is an issue and I guess those always stand out… but the day to day interactions here are normal helpful, informative and done in a friendly (or at least a professional) manner. 4
Spartancrest Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 I fervently [look it up] hope that any Newbies give this thread a wide berth until the bickering stops. Once again . . . are we here to HELP or frighten people off? Personally I think encouraging new members should be the priority, if a "Newbie" [which is a condescending title to start with - as we know nothing about their backgrounds] wants information on a tsuba or anything else that we may feel is "junk" - - so what? Does it damage anyone reputation if you can simply say "Show us what you want to buy next time, so we can steer you away from making a bad purchase"? Just saying things like "You wasted your money" or "We only judge true works of art" helps no one. Please don't say it doesn't happen - it definitely does. [don't make me start compiling the list of names - it is all on record and very accessible ] [An Idle threat, I wouldn't waste my time - you know who you are ] PhoenixDude You do know M.J. is dead don't you? 5 2
Spartancrest Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 5 hours ago, Alex A said: Lol,squirming ( funny cant even spell it) Seriously Dan and wih respect , call it a day. This aint the place for theatrical attention. Not very good at spelling yourself "aint" you! 1 1
Jake6500 Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 8 hours ago, Alex A said: Pussy Accept truth or f off Hey Alex. As a "newbie" to the forum who saw your last interaction that prompted Dan to make this thread, I'm not sure I'd consider your posts to be particularly "educated" or "enlightened". If you think your knowledge of prices makes you particularly cultured you should perhaps look into a mirror. I have a Meiji period bronze hand mirror I could lend you. I think it would suit you. Regards, Jake 3
Kantaro Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 Sounds as a well educated reply to me Jake. Kind regards from Belgium. 2
Jake6500 Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 18 minutes ago, Kantaro said: Sounds as a well educated reply to me Jake. Kind regards from Belgium. This is just my opinion as a young "newbie" on the forum but if your only value in collecting tsuba is the reselling price, you've probably forgotten the reason you started collecting in the first place. Enjoy collecting and learning! 2
Kantaro Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 Correct Jake, my primary goal as newbie is to avoid fakes and try to learn on what I have available. My first car was also a second hand one and not a new one. I consider Tsuba as art so opignions can be different. It is not ok for a newbie to hestate to put his Tsuba on this fantastic forum because he is worried his tsuba is not good enough... Kind regards. 2
Brian Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 It's also not acceptable to encourage people to collect zero- art, low quality space fillers. This isn't the forum for that. We are not collecting age here. Not are we collecting nostalgia. Be polite, educate people, encourage them to advance and learn. BUT...taking that modern "everyone is a winner and everyone deserves a trophy" stance is for Facebook...not here. Telling people what they have without mincing your words is not rude. It's what ANY art field does. You try take your Auntie Flo's watercolour scribble to an art gallery, and see what they say. I think a handful of people here are overstating something that isn't prevalent. Newcommers get good advice, many stick around and become the new collectors. A handful of treasure hunters disappear when they don't hear what they want to hear. If you want to encourage newbies, STOP telling them how great their placeholders are. Be like Dale...explain why it's a fake or cast or lower end. Show examples of where the design comes from. Dale....you specifically are great at this. You show them why and how and what to look for. But don't fall into that trap of "everything is collectible, and everyone gets to enjoy any old dross" because that is simply not true. Otherwise we may as well open a section for those who want to collect fakes or $20 tsuba. This place is for people to learn, and to advance. Not to get stuck collecting tsuba-shaped objects. I don't think some of you would survive very long collecting other militaria. You go to WA or Warrelics etc, and post your fake post war German dagger, and see how much you get coddled. Nope. "Fake junk." and then you decide if you want to be a collector, or a treasure hunter. I agree with you all that we need to keep being polite. But blunt. If the person gets indignant and argues, tough...this isn't the place for them. As an aside. I collect, buy and sell knives. Thousands of them. I'm good at it. People contact me all the time. This week...once again (and it makes me very sad) a lady contacted me saying her husband had a massive collection of knives, and they need to sell them now that he passed. She had hopes that they were worth a decent amount. He was a prolific collector. Eventually she sends me pics. He has hundreds of knives. EVERY ONE OF THEM a Chinese flea market junker. Every fake Chinese knife out there, every fantasy wallhanger available. Every "gas station knife" as you Americans call them. I had to break the news that there was nothing I would be willing to pay more than about $2-3 each for. Jan was an accumulator. Not a collector. And now its his family's problem Don't be Jan. 6 2
Alex A Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 2 hours ago, Jake6500 said: Hey Alex. As a "newbie" to the forum who saw your last interaction that prompted Dan to make this thread, I'm not sure I'd consider your posts to be particularly "educated" or "enlightened". If you think your knowledge of prices makes you particularly cultured you should perhaps look into a mirror. I have a Meiji period bronze hand mirror I could lend you. I think it would suit you. Regards, Jake You any idea how many people have pm me for help and ive assisted and never been thanked????? xx off Saved folks thousands Folks think its some kind of free advice service and of they dont like what they ear they start crying Unbrlievable Your another pussy 1 4
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