Tsuba, fake or genuine?

[Matsunoki]

Some fakes are getting so good now that I begin to doubt far more things. 
Opinions on this one? Signs of wear to seppadai….but that can be faked as well!

From China hence the doubt but it looks very nice quality and I’d normally go very late Edo or more likely early Meiji.

They haven't got this good yet have they? If so …..blimey.

[thutson]

Dear Colin,

 

I posted a topic some time ago regarding a near identical casting of this tsuba, which I also could not discern whether it was real or fake, but with help from the forum we identified the signs that I think proved it to be a very impressive modern fake.

 

 

So I believe the tsuba you present here is also a modern cast from the same mould. Fakes have, unfortuantly, got this good!

 

Best,

Tom

[Matsunoki]

@thutson

Thanks Tom….interesting but very scary. 

[ROKUJURO]

Colin,

is it still warm? 

[Spartancrest]

I hate to say it but some of the more modern copies are a far cry from the crude ones made in the 1950s and 60s for practice swords. But you can see the pattern has not changed very much just better quality and a bit more gold paint.

    

still bad ones getting about of course https://www.jauce.com/auction/h1145055901     https://www.jauce.com/auction/f1114842948

Ebay https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/365048053993  expensive for paperweight!

 

Is this the daisho you are looking at Colin?  https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/405135677910   US $1,299.99  that is an expensive learning experience!

[Matsunoki]

  On 8/9/2024 at 10:34 AM, Spartancrest said:

Is this the daisho you are looking at

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Hi Dale, yes I stumbled onto that site via a search on fleabay  and was gobsmacked by some of pieces…….far better than most Nagoyamono. Some of the fuchi kashira were worryingly good as well. A lot of genuine tsuba mixed in. Crafty. 
many of the repro were described as such but these tsuba were “edo” hence my suspicion that a trap awaited.

Nothing gets past you does it?😊😊😊, thankfully!!!

Best. Colin

[Spartancrest]

  On 8/9/2024 at 11:24 AM, Matsunoki said:

Nothing gets past you does it?

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I do have to sleep sometime! 

Hey Colin how close are you to Bristol? This Museum could do with some help  https://collections....collections/?s=TSUBA  especially with their shorthand descriptions [and maybe a tape measure!]. 

[Matsunoki]

  On 8/9/2024 at 11:41 AM, Spartancrest said:

Hey Colin how close are you to Bristol?

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Dale, I’m on the other side of the country, which for a native East Anglian, is about the same as the other side of the world.

[Spartancrest]

Somewhere near Norwich?   What! That distance is just down the road for us Aussies  [heck I live in the smallest state and we drive further than that to take our dog to the vet!] 

[Matsunoki]

  On 8/9/2024 at 12:11 PM, Spartancrest said:

we drive further than that to take our dog to the vet!] 

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Yes Dale, but you don’t have to face the M11, M25 and M4 all of which are either full of roadworks, accidents, massive tailbacks, HGVs about a yard off your rear bumper and other  assorted lunatics rapidly heading toward an accident. 
Quiet life for me nowadays. Remember we only got electricity around here a couple of years ago🙂