Help needed. Just won a random auction!? Tsubas,kozuka...

[Lukas]

Hi everyone 

So, i just won an unexpected auction, a total of 11 pieces.

I'm kind of a noob in this world, as some might have noticed

 

Any information will be very appreciated 

Supposedly from edo period. 

Noticed that one of the kozuka is signed. 

 

Value? 

 

I haven't received the items yet. Very curious about the kogatana blade ( not sure that's the right term....). Don't know if it's signed yet. 

 

I'm very grateful for being able to asked question to people much more knowledge then myself. 

 

Only have these to pictures at the moment 

 

Thank you so much

[Rivkin]

Everything is sort of late. The kozuka with Shiju is probably the most valuable and the only piece I would consider collectible, there is also a classic Nagoyamono tsuba upper left, in relatively good execution.

[Franco D]

It appears someone had an affinity for a copper finish and probably used a silver wear polish to remove the black patina on a number of these pieces,  unfortunately. While higher quality shakudo will eventually repatinate itself with time turning black, shakudo that is less so may have mixed results. The pair of menuki could be Kyo-kinko. The two figures on the kozuka at the game table may be playing a game of go. 

Edited August 6 by Franco D

[Brian]

The kogatana has been snapped and reshaped. But an ok filler.
The tsuba with waterfall is pleasant enough, and the left hand kozuka is very nice. Those 2 probably make the deal worthwhile if the price was cheap.

[Lukas]

Thank you so much for all the help guys, really appreciate it. 

[PhoenixDude]

Top left tsuba, would need to see more detail of it to make a determination, could be nagoyamono.
top middle is run of the mill imo.
top right is nice but looks odd as previously mentioned, the tree looks like bright copper and was probably supposed to be patinated shakudo, as well as the sekigane being bright, probably hit with polish at some point recently.

 

boar kozuka looks like the boar has been polished up a bit as well, otherwise average work.

the go player kozuka looks waki or kaga goto. the menuki are probably a set that wast paired with the kozuka later imo.

the katakiri-bori or "carved" kozuka is nice, could be mumei yokoya?
The second to last kozuka looks like it says yukiyoshi 行善, and looks like the back was polished.
the last one is average work to me as well.

[Grevedk]

Evening all,

 

Should anyone have an interest in knowing the end sale of those items as a reference. Described by the auction house as being from the Edo - Meiji period.

 

 

Then the above mentioned items were all sold today, Monday 12th., at the Danish auction house Bruun-Rasmussen (part of Bonhams). Final price DKR 6000,- (around 850$) before fees and shipping expenses. Total will probably end around 1200$.

 

/Soren

 

 

 

[kissakai]

The image is too small for any assessment

 

[Lewis B]

3 minutes ago, kissakai said:

The image is too small for any assessment

 

Even in the first post? Same items.

[Shuko]

Soren

 

I am a go (igo) player so when you get the items could you please send me a photo of the kozuka on the lower left. 

Thx

[Jake6500]

3 hours ago, Shuko said:

Soren

 

I am a go (igo) player so when you get the items could you please send me a photo of the kozuka on the lower left. 

Thx

 

Rank and online server Clive?

 

I'm a 3k on KGS

[Shuko]

17 hours ago, Jake6500 said:

 

Rank and online server Clive?

 

I'm a 3k on KGS

 

Hi Jake

 

I was 3d (sandan) but stopped playing years ago as my stamina and concentration have slipped with age.

 

My sensai in Sydney was SongSheng Wu (Chinese 9 dan) but he died in 2007. Unfortunately he was a heavy smoker and couldn't stop. 

[Jake6500]

1 hour ago, Shuko said:

 

Hi Jake

 

I was 3d (sandan) but stopped playing years ago as my stamina and concentration have slipped with age.

 

My sensai in Sydney was SongSheng Wu (Chinese 9 dan) but he died in 2007. Unfortunately he was a heavy smoker and couldn't stop. 

 

Wow, San Dan is already quite strong.

 

I didn't really have a teacher, a friends brother just showed me the rules and I basically learned the rest from playing thousands of online games.

[Shuko]

For those who have little knowledge of go (igo) quite a few of the well to do samurai use to play it as it involves flexible thinking and skill; a part of their mental training. I t was mainly played by court officials and some monks. 

 

There were numerous castle games where professional go players would play to win titles and rankings. The most famous player in the historical period was Shusaku (1829 - 1862) who unfortunately died of cholera. Famous men like Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu were all patrons of go but it was not until the twentieth century that it became a widely popular game in Japan. Note that there had been professional go players in four schools competing against each other for a very long time but government patronage was not organised properly until the 17th century.   

 

Invincible  - The Games of Shusaku - translated by John Power and printed by The Kiseido Publishing Company has the important castle games if you are a player. Just like most arts in Japan it takes a lifetime to get strong or good and you are always learning things about the game, even the top flight 9 dan professionals never get to the top, no one can as it is infinite; this is part of the attraction to this simple to play yet extremely complex game.   

[Jake6500]

On 8/22/2024 at 9:35 PM, Shuko said:

For those who have little knowledge of go (igo) quite a few of the well to do samurai use to play it as it involves flexible thinking and skill; a part of their mental training. I t was mainly played by court officials and some monks. 

 

There were numerous castle games where professional go players would play to win titles and rankings. The most famous player in the historical period was Shusaku (1829 - 1862) who unfortunately died of cholera. Famous men like Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu were all patrons of go but it was not until the twentieth century that it became a widely popular game in Japan. Note that there had been professional go players in four schools competing against each other for a very long time but government patronage was not organised properly until the 17th century.   

 

Invincible  - The Games of Shusaku - translated by John Power and printed by The Kiseido Publishing Company has the important castle games if you are a player. Just like most arts in Japan it takes a lifetime to get strong or good and you are always learning things about the game, even the top flight 9 dan professionals never get to the top, no one can as it is infinite; this is part of the attraction to this simple to play yet extremely complex game.   

 

Just saw this beautiful listing on Jauce and it reminded me of our discussion in this thread!

 

Only 8 hours left on this one and probably out of my price range at this point in time...

 

https://www.jauce.com/auction/c1150054016

 

 

 

[Rivkin]

2 hours ago, Jake6500 said:

 

Just saw this beautiful listing on Jauce and it reminded me of our discussion in this thread!

 

Only 8 hours left on this one and probably out of my price range at this point in time...

 

https://www.jauce.com/auction/c1150054016

 

I do own kozuka with this scene. NTHK papered it to Goto Kakujo and overall I have shown it to quite a few people and the opinion was that its either mainline Goto or founders of Kaga Goto, about the same period.

I've spent some time looking at yahoo's listing and convinced myself mine's quality "might be" a "little bit" better which is mostly visible in hair and mons - in mine you can better see the black lines and slightly less flat execution.

Yes it's Goto, but which generation is going to be random.