NewB Posted August 2 Report Posted August 2 Hello I’m inquiring about the Japanese term for the hamon with such utsuri and the schools that introduced and made it. thank you j Quote
NewB Posted August 2 Author Report Posted August 2 I can’t provide better photos.. pardon that j Quote
Rivkin Posted August 2 Report Posted August 2 Bad pictures, but I don't think its per se "real" utsuri. Hitatsura, sometimes it creates a somewhat blank, mirror-like yet very dark jigane. Especially on later than late Muromachi pieces, as probably here. 1 Quote
NewB Posted August 2 Author Report Posted August 2 Thank you I edited them to enhance the hamon I could see hitstsura, couldn’t photo the utsuri ‘clouding’ over it :/ that might have given a bad impression jv Quote
NewB Posted August 2 Author Report Posted August 2 6 hours ago, Lewis B said: Is the blade oiled in the photos? no it is not Thank you j Quote
NewB Posted August 4 Author Report Posted August 4 Thank you all for your ‘support’. definitely not butt hurt but to know how many scholars are around and the fact i already pardoned the not so appealing photos (yeah right?) - i just find it absolutely personal that my question didn’t even get addressed! while information is not free i only wanted a take on it … and no - it’s earlier than muromachi period thank you feel free to close and erase the photos and the thread peace be upon you yu Quote
Tohagi Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 ...in the second picture, in the habaki side, it seems shallows white utsuri (before the hitatsura coming from the mune). I don't think it is hadori made, but I still a beginer. The sword have been given as Sue Koto.? I could search in books... Best regards Éric VD Quote
Tohagi Posted August 8 Report Posted August 8 If it is from a koto school, it could be Hasebe, Shiga, Sue Soshu or Sue Bizen... after, at muromachie, styles copies each other, this hitatsura seems particular... could be Hiroyoshi? Difficult to guess without full pics... Did the seller gives you an attribution or only the era ? Best regards, Éric VD Quote
NewB Posted August 9 Author Report Posted August 9 On 8/8/2024 at 6:03 PM, Tohagi said: If it is from a koto school, it could be Hasebe, Shiga, Sue Soshu or Sue Bizen... after, at muromachie, styles copies each other, this hitatsura seems particular... could be Hiroyoshi? Difficult to guess without full pics... Did the seller gives you an attribution or only the era ? Best regards, Éric VD Hello and thank you for writing. I’ve decided to submit it to NBTHK next year. I have a paper attributing it to Masahiro/Tsunahiro but it is not a reliable one although it has the stamp of an appraiser. once I hear back I’ll report the result thank you Yv 1 Quote
Mushin Posted August 9 Report Posted August 9 Can you share the paper, please? Can you also please share photos of the nakago? Thanks! Quote
NewB Posted August 9 Author Report Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Mushin said: Can you share the paper, please? Can you also please share photos of the nakago? Thanks! I am unable to do so as the blade is already travelling thank you yv Quote
Tohagi Posted August 10 Report Posted August 10 That's quite a big name in Soshu, the hamon could match...the bohi is unusual in this kind of works. I hope you this will be a good attribution, it will be very interesting to study. Best regards, Eric Quote
NewB Posted August 10 Author Report Posted August 10 5 hours ago, Tohagi said: That's quite a big name in Soshu, the hamon could match...the bohi is unusual in this kind of works. I hope you this will be a good attribution, it will be very interesting to study. Best regards, Eric I agree Huge name Once I have a result I’ll refresh the topic thank you yv Quote
NewB Posted August 10 Author Report Posted August 10 I wonder if someone knows who the appraiser was thank you yv Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted August 10 Report Posted August 10 https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=90f0e14791cac1c8&sca_upv=1&hl=en-gb&q=梶原帝刀軒&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWd8nbOJfsBGGB5IQQO6L3J5m2RNdZ7TqBBDB_EAGU4N1t7e22dNzi6Ptvst2Hpv731pBiUvxgDvUESDs0vKAlth6ur43VDuwQ1MImp4aZ3Y2lPg3d2HHfVr3_Srl6mbihAxhk0-zRVOZLL2JBEzp8wKcaTBbFec6XsALxtj8EyBkTLXCFtU_6cl4NUx4_1TL9kuPYHw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj9qr-_u-uHAxW4Z0EAHdHoKFAQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=390&bih=663&dpr=3#ip=1 Look up this guy. 梶原福松 帝刀軒 Kajihara (Kajiwara?) Fukumatsu, Teitōken I found some links but he is on FaceBook so I couldn’t open them. Also wrote some sword books: https://www.google.com/search?q=梶原福松&client=safari&sca_esv=90f0e14791cac1c8&sca_upv=1&hl=en-gb&biw=390&bih=663&ei=j-i3ZoWIBuCrhbIPvdTl4Ao&oq=梶原福松&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIgzmorbljp_npo_mnb4yCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEjAiQlQkssHWIGFCXAWeAGQAQKYAVigAYYPqgECMzC4AQPIAQD4AQGYAiSgAr4JwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICBRAAGIAEwgIKEC4YgAQYQxiKBcICBRAuGIAEwgIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBcICBhAAGAQYHsICCBAAGAQYBRgewgIHEAAYgAQYBMICBxAAGIAEGBfCAggQABgEGBcYHsICBBAeGAqYAwCIBgGQBgqSBwIzNqAHzDU&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#ip=1 1 Quote
NewB Posted August 10 Author Report Posted August 10 6 hours ago, Bugyotsuji said: https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=90f0e14791cac1c8&sca_upv=1&hl=en-gb&q=梶原帝刀軒&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWd8nbOJfsBGGB5IQQO6L3J5m2RNdZ7TqBBDB_EAGU4N1t7e22dNzi6Ptvst2Hpv731pBiUvxgDvUESDs0vKAlth6ur43VDuwQ1MImp4aZ3Y2lPg3d2HHfVr3_Srl6mbihAxhk0-zRVOZLL2JBEzp8wKcaTBbFec6XsALxtj8EyBkTLXCFtU_6cl4NUx4_1TL9kuPYHw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj9qr-_u-uHAxW4Z0EAHdHoKFAQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=390&bih=663&dpr=3#ip=1 Look up this guy. I found some links but he is on FaceBook so I couldn’t open them. Thank you he evaluated the blade as Tsunahiro/Masahiro 2 papers, same scholar p.s I’d trade the majority of the languages I know if I could only read Japanese ;( yv Quote
NewB Posted August 22 Author Report Posted August 22 On 8/10/2024 at 5:26 PM, Bugyotsuji said: https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=90f0e14791cac1c8&sca_upv=1&hl=en-gb&q=梶原帝刀軒&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWd8nbOJfsBGGB5IQQO6L3J5m2RNdZ7TqBBDB_EAGU4N1t7e22dNzi6Ptvst2Hpv731pBiUvxgDvUESDs0vKAlth6ur43VDuwQ1MImp4aZ3Y2lPg3d2HHfVr3_Srl6mbihAxhk0-zRVOZLL2JBEzp8wKcaTBbFec6XsALxtj8EyBkTLXCFtU_6cl4NUx4_1TL9kuPYHw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj9qr-_u-uHAxW4Z0EAHdHoKFAQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=390&bih=663&dpr=3#ip=1 Look up this guy. 梶原福松 帝刀軒 Kajihara (Kajiwara?) Fukumatsu, Teitōken I found some links but he is on FaceBook so I couldn’t open them. Also wrote some sword books: https://www.google.com/search?q=梶原福松&client=safari&sca_esv=90f0e14791cac1c8&sca_upv=1&hl=en-gb&biw=390&bih=663&ei=j-i3ZoWIBuCrhbIPvdTl4Ao&oq=梶原福松&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIgzmorbljp_npo_mnb4yCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEjAiQlQkssHWIGFCXAWeAGQAQKYAVigAYYPqgECMzC4AQPIAQD4AQGYAiSgAr4JwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICBRAAGIAEwgIKEC4YgAQYQxiKBcICBRAuGIAEwgIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBcICBhAAGAQYHsICCBAAGAQYBRgewgIHEAAYgAQYBMICBxAAGIAEGBfCAggQABgEGBcYHsICBBAeGAqYAwCIBgGQBgqSBwIzNqAHzDU&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#ip=1 Sorry to trouble you but this is? Thank you Yv Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted August 22 Report Posted August 22 Hi Yv, Are you asking me what the red seal says? Forgive me, but I cannot read it. Where is it located? (The black character 男 looks like ‘-o’, perhaps the last letter of a vertical name.) Quote
NewB Posted August 25 Author Report Posted August 25 On 8/22/2024 at 1:22 AM, Bugyotsuji said: Hi Yv, Are you asking me what the red seal says? Forgive me, but I cannot read it. Where is it located? (The black character 男 looks like ‘-o’, perhaps the last letter of a vertical name.) Hello i was wondering if someone knows who is the red seal bearer ? thank you yv Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 Can you get a shot of the full vertical black ink name above, ending in 男? (As with the previous example, it could be a good clue.) Quote
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