Gerry Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 This is an interesting one... A 1st gen Tadayoshi with a big chip almost through the hamon, and yet is has TH papers, and it's going for a pretty high price. https://www.jauce.com/auction/o1145416948# I didn't realize swords with such big chips could get TH. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis B Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 54 minutes ago, Gerry said: I didn't realize swords with such big chips could get TH. Might be kirikomi which wouldn't necessarily prevent the blade from getting papers. Or the damage was caused after it Shinsa'ed in 2022 (unlikely, but possible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Posted July 25 Author Report Share Posted July 25 That's a good point, although I how they would prove to the shinsa panel that the chip was from kirikomi. But ouch if the chip was made after the sword got papers! it went for 800,001 yen. Here's another auction for a very nice blade by the same smith, and I'm sure it'll go for much, much higher. https://www.jauce.com/auction/l1145523632 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis B Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Personally I would pass on a blade with Ha kirikomi, on the mune is actually quite nice as it adds a little romanticism. On the shinogi not to egregious either. Kirikomi in these areas suggests the wielder knew how to handle a sword and correctly pare a strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques D. Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 As the works of shodai Tadayoshi are not uncommon, there is a very strong probability that this accident took place after the tokuho was obtained. Note that the chip joins the hamon, which is a fatal flaw. In fact, this sword isn't worth a cent anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Posted July 25 Author Report Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Lewis B said: Personally I would pass on a blade with Ha kirikomi, on the mune is actually quite nice as it adds a little romanticism. On the shinogi not to egregious either. Kirikomi in these areas suggests the wielder knew how to handle a sword and correctly pare a strike. I agree with you on that...kirikomi marks on the mune or shinogi do add to the character of the blade. This sword has quite a few kirikomi marks, but then I'm wondering if unscrupulous sellers add those too since they know it's an attractive quality. https://www.jauce.com/auction/o1124491895 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco D Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Having seen a number of Nambokucho period blades with real kirikomi, I would consider what I'm seeing here as romanticized flaws of suspicious origin. Some collectors can live with flaws. Buy what you like, but know what you're buying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis B Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 31 minutes ago, Franco D said: Having seen a number of Nambokucho period blades with real kirikomi, I would consider what I'm seeing here as romanticized flaws of suspicious origin. Some collectors can live with flaws. Buy what you like, but know what you're buying. Very true. I saw kirikomi on the mune of a Fukuoka Ichimonji and I felt it added character and didn't look like it had got the nick in the last 20 years. Correct location near the kissaki and the angle of impact was consistent for a blow from an opponent's blade. I would love to have that sword in my collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco D Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 3 minutes ago, Lewis B said: Correct location near the kissaki and the angle of impact was consistent for a blow from an opponent's blade. While location can have some variation in the ones I've seen, the characteristics including shape, angle, and depth are unmistakable as to what made that mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu2020 Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Historically significant if the chip was indeed acquired in the Sakurada-mon Incident. If you want romanticism this has it in buckets... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu2020 Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 PS - I own a Juyo To-ken Morisuke with a serious chip - some cannot look at it, I love it! 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco D Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 10 minutes ago, Toryu2020 said: PS - I own a Juyo To-ken Morisuke with a serious chip - some cannot look at it, I love it! The problem isn't looking at the Juyo Morisuke, in fact not at all. Would love to see it. The problem for some is that their eye can't stop being drawn to the chip. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu2020 Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Like a stripper with a bad tattoo - I like strippers too though... 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nulldevice Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 5 hours ago, Toryu2020 said: PS - I own a Juyo To-ken Morisuke with a serious chip - some cannot look at it, I love it! Will you be at the SF show next weekend? I'd love to talk to you about this wonderful sword! Absolutely stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nulldevice Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 Also, here is Juyo Sukehira that just went up for sale with a chip in the ha. https://nihonto.com/5-1-24/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonely panet Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 the kissaki looks very very thing in the boshi on the hizen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu2020 Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 I will indeed be at the San Francisco show for sure and so will the sword. The NBTHK/AB are doing a presentation on Nanboku-cho Bizen and this sword will be available for hands-on examination... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nulldevice Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, Toryu2020 said: I will indeed be at the San Francisco show for sure and so will the sword. The NBTHK/AB are doing a presentation on Nanboku-cho Bizen and this sword will be available for hands-on examination... I can’t wait to see it and many other amazing swords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussi Ekholm Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 That Morisuke is an amazing sword Thomas I am happy it is in good hands. It will be amazing opportunity for people to see it in San Fran show. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeLuucas Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 On 7/25/2024 at 7:02 PM, Toryu2020 said: I will indeed be at the San Francisco show for sure and so will the sword. The NBTHK/AB are doing a presentation on Nanboku-cho Bizen and this sword will be available for hands-on examination... That's very exciting Thomas. Is there anything an attendee like me needs to do, to view the Nanboku-cho Bizen presentation? A sign-up perhaps? I've been reading up on the topic in preparation for the show, and stumbled across this. I hope you don't mind me sharing it here, its a fascinating read! https://nihonto.com/bizen-morisuke-備前守助/ All the best, -Sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu2020 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 No worries Sam - I am proud to share it, no sense in hiding it in a closet. The presentation is by the NBTHK/AB these are usually open to all attendees though sometimes there is a small fee... -t 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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