aabderson Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 Can anyone make the signature out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 Looks a bit like KANEYASU ( 兼 保 ) but seems to have more strokes in the second KANJI. Generally, NAKAGO photos should be well focused, taken directly from above, with the light from the side, and taken with a dark background. Tip should point upwards. You will have to wait for the experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uwe Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 I rather think it is “兼得” (Kanenari)! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 Yes, that's it! I could not find it in the KANJI list of the NMB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uwe Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 7 hours ago, ROKUJURO said: Yes, that's it! I could not find it in the KANJI list of the NMB. I admit that I can’t remember whether I have ever noticed this character for “nari” before, Jean. Quite rare I guess and “pointing”* to Mino 16th century in this case. Edit: “might point”*. Condition of the nakago (patina) looks not that old. At least on the first two pictures… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Pictures of the full sword would confirm/rule out the Mei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tohagi Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 This hamon could be beautifull with à fresh polish ! .... Nice piece. Best regards, Éric VD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihonto student Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Dear Alex, having the measurements of the blade would help to evaluate the period and tighten the circle, takanoha yasurime are not very common in the Shinto period, from the photos I would also seem to see an O kissaki or elongated chu kissaki (I could easily be wrong given the different angles of the photo), so at first glance it seems to me compatible with Mino den late Muromachi, perhaps https://nihontoclub.com/smiths/KAN1756 or https://nihontoclub.com/smiths/KAN1757 Regards, Giordy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Alex, as mentioned above: Generally, NAKAGO photos should be well focused, taken directly from above, with the light from the side, and taken with a dark background. Tip should point upwards. This applies also to photos of the blade. In addition to these recommendations, you can improve your photos by presenting them as cut-outs, so no background is disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 ...could be an illusion but I see what seems koshibiraki in the hamon and maybe gunome choji ( 4th picture)... but difficult to say from these pictures... Best regards Éric VD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aabderson Posted July 18 Author Report Share Posted July 18 Thank you all for your help. I don’t know much about Kanenari. Was he a good swordsmith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques D. Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 According to the Nihonto meikan, there are 4 Kanenari (with these kanji), all from Mino and working during the 1500s. Fujisiro doesn't list any of them, which suggests that they were minor smiths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uwe Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 The earliest is rated wazamono! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques D. Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Frankly, wazamono is not a quality brand. You have to look at the conditions under which these tests were carried out, and I doubt that the process was rigorous enough in terms of parameters to be truly reliable. Let me add that it's the swords that were judged, not the smiths. It seems Markus Sesko index is mistaken https://en.wikipedia...iki/List_of_Wazamono Inoue Shinkai only rated wazamono .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Absurd argument once again. Please point to a modern equivalent of the Wazamono list if you are attempting to hold a 17th century practice to modern scientific standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques D. Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 Ok, show me how what I say is absurd, i look forward to reading your well-founded arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 You are the one dismissing the validity of the Wazamono list. Please present another that matches your criteria of reliability. Alternatively, head down to the morgue and start slicing and dicing, look forward to your results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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