Tohagi Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 (edited) Hello, this is my first attempt to create a new Topic and asking some help. This is a sword a friend brings to me this WE. It is in his family for more than 100 years, the tsuka was blocked, seems never opened from that time. It cames in Satsuma rebelion style tsuka maki with quite good shakudo tosogu. The ito cracked 6 mounth ago. The blade is: Nagasa : over 70cm Sori : very little sori Chu Kissaki, boshi komaru and I guess no Kaeri Very little funbari, Tori koshi, Hamon looks mostly Suguha ko-midare Kiri yasurime becoming sujikai at the second mekugi ana Nakago long and probably suriage and machi Okuri ... For the mei I need help. I Guess: "Senshu?"(the two first Kanji are very difficult to read for me) Fujiwara Yasu "Hiro" (probably, could be yasuteru) ... From the general impression I was thinking of early Shinto (maybe kanbun) but the nakago could be very late Muromachi, the very little sori could also point to satsuma work... I found no matching smith with theses kanji, it's not a big name so maybe not a gimeï. I can take more pic's if needed (kissaki, full blade...) Any contribution will be greatly appreciated (thank you very much by anticipation) : I have absolutely no commercial interest in it. Best Regards, Eric VD Edited July 11 by Tohagi precise the description Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu2020 Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Try looking up "Kyogoku" -t 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted July 11 Author Report Share Posted July 11 You mean Kyogoku Fujiwara yasuhiro ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu2020 Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 亰都藤原安廣 - Kyoto Fujiwara Yasuhiro 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted July 12 Author Report Share Posted July 12 Thank you very,very much! The second kanji is realy a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted July 12 Author Report Share Posted July 12 I put here some more pic's to appreciate the sugata and part of the Hamon. This swordsmith seems unknown from swordsmith index I found... probably not a diamond in the rough but still the sword have no noticeable flaw (tip point is 1mm broken, rusty and it needs of professional Togishi care). Thank you for your opinion and advices, and thank you again to Thomas and Koichi for the translation ! Best regards, Eric VD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted July 12 Author Report Share Posted July 12 By the way, Nagasa is finaly 74,5 cm long, nakago is 24 cm. Too long for a shinto sword? Best regards Éric VD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussi Ekholm Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 Unfortunately I cannot find this particular smith in any of the swordsmith indexes. I cannot find a Yasuhiro smith who would sign like this. One thing to consider is also the very long length and lack of curvature. As the sword has been shortened by considerable amount it would likely be 85cm+ in original form. I feel my thought might wander towards kinnōtō, however that is just total speculation and the nakago looks fair bit older than I would think for them. Of course there were some long and straightish katana produced in multiple periods, just that they were bit outside of the norm. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted July 17 Author Report Share Posted July 17 Hello Jussi, Thank you very much for your researches and your time ! I've got bad luck on this one too. (In my opinion) most of Kyoto schools, on early Shinto, should have been Yamashiro-den ... maybe some rare yamato-den? The only "Yasuhiro" in kanbun shinto working around was Tachibana ( the mei is not matching in any way) and Tachibana(kuse)'s and Fujiwara's were'nt really friends... So I wonder ... Kinnoto was an option (mostly because of the "Satsuma"/ Ezo context) but it does'nt look a shinshinto work to me (not thick and kind of "show off" enough IMO)... I can only say that it was brought back in France before 1900 and never been polished since (there was a very thick layer of grease and dirt on it, preventing for heavy rust). It will keep it's mystery ... Thank you again for your interest, Best regards, Eric VD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted July 18 Author Report Share Posted July 18 (edited) Random searching on Yasuhiro, I found this one.... from Edo. Mei is different (and style too) but Yasuhiro's takane looks familiar to me. Could this Smith have mooved to kyoto? (It is not a very belivable story I know, he is from 1500's)... After thinking at it, meï is realy différent, sorry wasting your time. Edited July 18 by Tohagi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted July 19 Author Report Share Posted July 19 Hello, Here is what I was meaning by the Yasuhiro's "Takane"... Please, I know it's not bullet proof (just close enough to be an interesting topic of discussion) I tried to take the name and superpose it to this above. Here the original link: https://new.uniqueja...ro-dragon-wakizashi/ (note the sanbon sugui hamon, not even close to the one I see on the katana...) And here my paste ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 To close this topic, I show the pictures to a sword Smith and a dealer (very old and gentle man) in Kyoto, both were thinking shinshinto, the old man show me this index...but I do not find the meï's kanji in the line he points me. Unrated smith for the dealer, not so good for the sword Smith. If you have an opinion (or a translation of the line) on this index, please welcome: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiayang Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 15 minutes ago, Tohagi said: but I do not find the meï's kanji in the line he points me The book uses the simplified version 広 of the second character in the smith's name (廣). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 @xiayang thank you very much, even if I'm not able to read the line. best regards, Éric VD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 The line says Heian Jo Ju Hayato Minamoto Yasuhiro Zō, Keiō. Keio is towards the end the Edo Period. Essentially Minamoto (title) Yasuhiro made, living in Heian Jō (Heian Castle, which indicates Kyōto, Yamashiro). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 MINAMOTO YASUHIRO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 Stoopid me! Or stoopid Bill Gates!!! Thanks, Jean. (Edited above) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohagi Posted August 24 Author Report Share Posted August 24 Thank you very much both! You are really the bests. Kind regards, Éric VD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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