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Hello,

this is my first attempt to create a new Topic and asking some help.

This is a sword a friend brings to me this WE.

It is in his family for more than 100 years, the tsuka was blocked, seems never opened from that time.

It cames in Satsuma rebelion style tsuka maki with quite good shakudo tosogu. The ito cracked 6 mounth ago.

 

The blade is:

Nagasa : over 70cm

Sori : very little sori

Chu Kissaki, boshi komaru and I guess no Kaeri

Very little funbari, Tori koshi,

Hamon looks mostly Suguha ko-midare

Kiri yasurime becoming sujikai at the second mekugi ana

Nakago long and probably suriage and machi Okuri ...

 

For the mei I need help. I Guess:  "Senshu?"(the two first Kanji are very difficult to read for me) Fujiwara Yasu "Hiro" (probably, could be yasuteru) ...

From the general impression I was thinking of early Shinto (maybe kanbun) but the nakago could be very late Muromachi, the very little sori could also point to satsuma work...

 

I found no matching smith with theses kanji, it's not a big name so maybe not a gimeï.

I can take more pic's if needed (kissaki, full blade...)

Any contribution will be greatly appreciated (thank you very much by anticipation) : I have absolutely no commercial interest in it.

 

Best Regards,

 

Eric VD

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I put here some more pic's to appreciate the sugata and part of the Hamon.

 

This swordsmith seems unknown from swordsmith index I found... probably not a diamond in the rough but still the sword have no noticeable flaw (tip point is 1mm broken, rusty and it needs of professional Togishi care).

 

Thank you for your opinion and advices, and thank you again to Thomas and Koichi for the translation !

 

Best regards,

 

Eric VD

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Unfortunately I cannot find this particular smith in any of the swordsmith indexes. I cannot find a Yasuhiro smith who would sign like this.

 

One thing to consider is also the very long length and lack of curvature. As the sword has been shortened by considerable amount it would likely be 85cm+ in original form. I feel my thought might wander towards kinnōtō, however that is just total speculation and the nakago looks fair bit older than I would think for them. Of course there were some long and straightish katana produced in multiple periods, just that they were bit outside of the norm.

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Hello Jussi,

 

Thank you very much for your researches and your time !

I've got bad luck on this one too.

(In my opinion) most of Kyoto schools, on early Shinto, should have been Yamashiro-den ... maybe some rare yamato-den?

 

The only "Yasuhiro" in kanbun shinto working around was Tachibana ( the mei is not matching in any way) and Tachibana(kuse)'s and Fujiwara's were'nt really friends...

 

So I wonder ...

 

Kinnoto was an option (mostly because of the "Satsuma"/ Ezo context) but it does'nt look a shinshinto work to me (not thick and kind of "show off" enough IMO)...

I can only say that it was brought back in France before 1900 and never been polished since (there was a very thick layer of grease and dirt on it, preventing for heavy rust).

 

It will keep it's mystery ...

 

Thank you again for your interest,

Best regards,

 

Eric VD

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Random searching on Yasuhiro,

I found this one.... from Edo. 

Mei is different (and style too) but Yasuhiro's takane looks familiar to me. Could this Smith have mooved to kyoto? (It is not a very belivable story I know, he is from 1500's)...

After thinking at it, meï is realy différent, sorry wasting your time. 

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Hello,

Here is what I was meaning by the Yasuhiro's "Takane"...

Please, I know it's not bullet proof (just close enough to be an interesting topic of discussion)

I tried to take the name and superpose it to this above.

Here the original link: https://new.uniqueja...ro-dragon-wakizashi/

(note the sanbon sugui hamon, not even close to the one I see on the katana...)

 

And here my paste ...

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To close this topic,

I show the pictures to a sword Smith and a dealer (very old and gentle man) in Kyoto, both were thinking shinshinto, the old man show me this index...but I do not find the meï's kanji in the line he points me. 

Unrated smith for the dealer, not so good for the sword Smith.

If you have an opinion (or a translation of the line) on this index, please welcome:

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