Loom motif?

[mywei]

Hey guys,

 

Just wanted to confirm the motif of these menuki and kogai

 

https://www.aoijapan...t-of-tosogu-mumei-2/

 

Is it a loom/weaving machine as described?

And if so, what is the significance of this motif (if any)? And have any of you guys seen similar motif on other pieces?

 

Just seems to be a curious object to put on tosogu 

[Bugyotsuji]

Somehow I doubt it. My wife has a traditional loom, nothing like that.

 

Unless it is some portable, specialized loom for weaving rope or something...?

[mywei]

Yeah I had my doubts that it was actually depicting a loom, but not really sure what it is actually meant to be!

[Bugyotsuji]

The golden part surely resembles bamboo. Is it a flute? But there are no holes. There is a slit down one side.

Why are there handles on the woven rope section? Is it a rope/string seat, and could the bamboo parts be legs for a shōgi folding stool? A campaign stool?

[Nobody]

This is just a shot in the dark.

 

 畚 (mokko) – a straw basket [for carrying earth]

 

 

[BIG]

I think its about KARAMONO..

 

https://www.ngv.vic....n-contemporary-form/

[BIG]

DALE, what about a HEAVEN`S NEST book ..

 

 

[Bugyotsuji]

What would be the connection to martial arts? If carrying earth, general castle construction, or perhaps Hideyoshi building dykes for water sieges?

[Nobody]

Everything can be a motif such as fisherman’s net.

[BIG]

Or a basket..

[Jake6500]

1 hour ago, Nobody said:

This is just a shot in the dark.

 

 畚 (mokko) – a straw basket [for carrying earth]

 

 

 

To me it looks like this, but being made on a loom of some kind, per the description.

    

 

It looks like a basket, suspended on bamboo rods?

 

Like, there is the main rod (gold) which the basket is folded around, plus two more subtle rods at each end of the basket?

 

As for the significance, no idea. Perhaps this is a Meiji Period object commemorating the old methods of craftsmanship as weaving and textile technologies were in the midst of being upgraded / industrialised in like the 1880's? No idea.

 

 

[Bugyotsuji]

The woven sections are not really basket-shaped, but more like folded flat mats.

[BIG]

As a martial arts design it is pos. KAGOTSURUBE..

 

https://markussesko.com/2014/0/page/5/

[Toryu2020]

I would have to agree with Nobody - the everyday soldier would be employed to dig trenches and dry moats as well help with castle construction - so reminiscent of a workingman samurai...

 

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[Spartancrest]

10 hours ago, BIG said:

what about a HEAVEN`S NEST book ..

I don't believe in Heaven - just the Hell we all live in - and besides this is the wrong thread for books! 

 

 Look at these guys - half have the flu the other half think they can avoid it by wearing a bit of paper on their face or are they just trying to look Kool?  

[Spartancrest]

Maybe the design is a bag for Hashi rather than bamboo poles - the modern equivalent  

[Bugyotsuji]

An udon roller with onigiri mat? 

[Mark S.]

Google “jibata back strap loom”.  This menuki would only be a couple parts of it, but maybe???  

[mywei]

I guess the only way we'll have an official answer is if someone submits it to for shinsa!...

[MauroP]

What about rope curtain (縄暖簾 - nawanoren)?

[SteveM]

Looking through a fittings book on a completely unrelated topic, and I found the following;

 

 

OK, two buckets and a bamboo pole... not a super close match, but not too far away either. The title of the theme is Suma-no-Ura (Bay of Suma), a story which is the basis for the Noh play "Matsukaze". Court poet, Ariwara no Yukihira, was exiled to the seaside village of Suma, where he was treated kindly by two "salt maidens" (ladies who extracted salt from seawater by boiling it). Anyway, the salt buckets symbolize this story, which was later turned into a Noh play. Sometimes the ladies are depicted with this kind of bucket and bamboo pole. Other times they are depicted with woven baskets for carrying fish. Thought it was close enough to merit a mention.