Kai gunto on Aoi Art

[Gerry]

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How would you classify the hamon on this kai gunto?

 

It looks like a type of toranba?

 

 

[Geraint]

Dear Gerry.

 

Why would you want to disagree with the stated description, suguha with notare?

 

All the best.

[Gerry]

6 hours ago, Geraint said:

Dear Gerry.

 

Why would you want to disagree with the stated description, suguha with notare?

 

All the best.

Hi Geraint,

 

Honestly, to me, suguha with notare, sounds like an oxymoron. The hamon seems to be much more flamboyant than that.

[Geraint]

Ah, I begin to see I think.  Descriptions of hamon are not as precise as most sources of information would suggest.  For a diagram one might illustrate a consistent hamon shape and some smiths do this very well.  Generally speaking hamon are not quite so cooperative and once you move away from identified smiths with distinctive hamon patterns then everything becomes a little more subjective.

 

Have a read of this thread for examples and comments.  

 

There is also some interesting stuff here, http://www.ksky.ne.j...sumie99/yakiire.html  You might have to follow the links around a bit for this one.

 

A lot of hamon descriptions are 'something or other with....'  For example Mino den suguha is often described as suguha with fushi.  As to toranba think high waves, the example we are looking at is more swells, so the description is suguha in places with swells, lots of ashi and yo which describes what is going on inside the hamon.

 

Any use?

 

All the best.

[Conway S]

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[Gerry]

On 6/27/2024 at 10:50 AM, Geraint said:

Ah, I begin to see I think.  Descriptions of hamon are not as precise as most sources of information would suggest.  For a diagram one might illustrate a consistent hamon shape and some smiths do this very well.  Generally speaking hamon are not quite so cooperative and once you move away from identified smiths with distinctive hamon patterns then everything becomes a little more subjective.

 

Have a read of this thread for examples and comments.  

 

There is also some interesting stuff here, http://www.ksky.ne.j...sumie99/yakiire.html  You might have to follow the links around a bit for this one.

 

A lot of hamon descriptions are 'something or other with....'  For example Mino den suguha is often described as suguha with fushi.  As to toranba think high waves, the example we are looking at is more swells, so the description is suguha in places with swells, lots of ashi and yo which describes what is going on inside the hamon.

 

Any use?

 

All the best.

Hi Geraint, 

 

Thanks for sharing the information on how hamon types are sometimes a true combination of multiple styles, and this is quite helpful.